abstract_thought Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 52 minutes ago, topwop1 said: Top 8-12 QB? I respectfully disagree. Here are guys I have for sure rated higher than him: Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Jackson, Watson, Wilson, Wentz, Ryan, Jimmy G, Dak, Cousins, Tannehill, Murray There are a number of stats available that point to Carr being better than Garoppolo, Wentz, Murray, Brady, and Tannehill. He was top 10 in QB Rating, DVOA, Total QBR, and Adjusted Net Air Yards per Attempt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 34 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: There are a number of stats available that point to Carr being better than Garoppolo, Wentz, Murray, Brady, and Tannehill. He was top 10 in QB Rating, DVOA, Total QBR, and Adjusted Net Air Yards per Attempt. He had a very, very good season. No way to skew that otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 20 hours ago, abstract_thought said: There are a number of stats available that point to Carr being better than Garoppolo, Wentz, Murray, Brady, and Tannehill. He was top 10 in QB Rating, DVOA, Total QBR, and Adjusted Net Air Yards per Attempt. Wasn't Mitch similar in terms of this production in 2018? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 19 hours ago, Heinz D. said: He had a very, very good season. No way to skew that otherwise. I wouldn't say very very good. His team went 7-9 and he finished with 23 total TD's, 2 of which were rushing TDs. Mitch played just as good if not better in 2018 in the first year under Nagy. Like I said before, Carr is not big enough of an upgrade to be paying $20M per year over Mitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 hours ago, topwop1 said: Wasn't Mitch similar in terms of this production in 2018? No... 16th in QB rating, 19th in DVOA, 3rd in QBR, 16th in ANY/A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 4 hours ago, topwop1 said: Like I said before, Carr is not big enough of an upgrade to be paying $20M per year over Mitch. That's assuming Mitch is capable of returning to his 2018 form though, isn't it? I'm not sure he can. Also, if we keep Mitch around, he's going to want a lot more money, regardless of how well he plays... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 46 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: That's assuming Mitch is capable of returning to his 2018 form though, isn't it? I'm not sure he can. Also, if we keep Mitch around, he's going to want a lot more money, regardless of how well he plays... From a statistical perspective, Mitch's 2018 is on par with Carr's low-end outcomes. And if the Bears give him a contract extension, he'll be more expensive than Carr. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, abstract_thought said: From a statistical perspective, Mitch's 2018 is on par with Carr's low-end outcomes. And if the Bears give him a contract extension, he'll be more expensive than Carr. If the Bears give Trubiksy an extension I would hope people would be flocking to the #firepace movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, WindyCity said: If the Bears give Trubiksy an extension I would hope people would be flocking to the #firepace movement. I might give up on Chicago if he does that without a dramatic improvement. Edited February 5, 2020 by Sugashane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Sugashane said: I might give up on Chicago if he does that without a dramatic improvement. I saw Wannstadt give up the eleventh pick in the draft for Rick Mirer. I won't give up on Chicago. (But my sanity can certainly be questioned.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Yep he’s been my #1 potential qb target of all available for a while. Even wanted him out of Fresno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) No. For about 5 good different reasons. Not that it matters because Carr isn't taking a bench job anywhere. On 2/2/2020 at 4:16 PM, beardown3231 said: Why the hell would anyone say no? Why would anyone say yes? I'll start with this. What offensive schemes has he played in, and how does that fit with nagy? Edited February 5, 2020 by JustAnotherFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said: No. For about 5 good different reasons. Not that it matters because Carr isn't taking a bench job anywhere. Why would anyone say yes? I'll start with this. What offensive schemes has he played in, and how does that fit with nagy? And I'll start and end with this: I watched Trubisky go from 101 to 201 in this offense last year and he was downright embarrassing at times. By no means do I think Carr is great (or even a top 8-12 QB like some others do on this board), but he's certainly a top 15-18 QB and that's several slots better than a top 28-32 QB. The diehard fan in me says go out and improve the position & don't waste this defense. The realist in me says roll with the bum they have and ideally get a top 7 pick next year & let's start over again. This will be one of the first offseasons of my life where I really will feel indifferent about what they do. Could be because they went from so much optimism to such a dud of a season, could also be because I'm becoming a father in the spring Edited February 5, 2020 by beardown3231 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, beardown3231 said: And I'll start and end with this: I watched Trubisky go from 101 to 201 in this offense last year and he was downright embarrassing at times. By no means do I think Carr is great (or even a top 8-12 QB like some others do on this board), but he's certainly a top 15-18 QB and that's several slots better than a top 28-32 QB. The diehard fan in me says go out and improve the position & don't waste this defense. The realist in me says roll with the bum they have and ideally get a top 7 pick next year & let's start over again. This will be one of the first offseasons of my life where I really will feel indifferent about what they do. Could be because they went from so much optimism to such a dud of a season, could also be because I'm becoming a father in the spring Congrats! Hopefully by the time future kid is able to have a favorite player the Bears will have the QB situation solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 This is what gives me pause Let’s just say you trade a 2nd round pick for Derek Carr. Who I think is a better QB. He makes 20 million What is better for 2020 Austin Hooper (10), Graham Glasgow (8), Jalen Reagor (2nd), Mitch Or Derek Carr, Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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