Williams Asks for Extension or Trade

[turtle28]

9 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said:

I agree that both are at fault. I am just a fan that dedicates my time and money to watching our team [strikethrough]succeed[/strikethrough] flounder. The thing is, like many have stated before, if Trent came out and said, "Hey, I'm underpaid. I want more money." We all would have understood; Supported him even. The way he is going about this is a cop-out. Yes, Cancer is a scary thing. Yes, I was furious with the Redskins Front Office/Medical Staff when this all started. But that's not what this is about "anymore". If anyone thinks Trent wants off the Redskins because of his cancer scare you are crazy. Trent wants more money from WHOEVER will pay him. That is what matters. If we offered him top dollar for Tackles, he would stay. Why? Because its about money. 

I'm not trying to villainize him. He tarnished his "legacy" (IMO) with how this is ending. New Coach, new opportunity to solidify yourself as one of the best LTs ever for the Redskins. He doesn't want that. If he doesn't want to be loyal, we dont have to be loyal to him. 

All we can say is, thanks for the time you were here (and playing) and good luck elsewhere. Now some desperate team give us what we want for him. (Yes my bitter side does not want him to get a ring elsewhere, sue me)

Because get this... it’s both!

[brownie man]

19 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

There will be like 10 teams who want him.  We aren't trading him for a 3rd.  

Lmao there are not 10 teams that are going to legit want him at that cost. 

 

17 minutes ago, tredaddy said:

Too much interest for OT and Trent is still a top-5 LT.  You're acting like he can't play for another 3-4 years with a year less of wear-and-tear on top of it.  

Happy to place a wager we get at least a 2020 2nd in return.  

A year less wear and tear with a brain issue. 
 

I am definitely down to make that bet. Unless you send at least a forth back. Your not getting a top half second free and clear. Maybe a later team straight up POSSIBLY. But NE doesn’t have a second so I doubt it 

[tredaddy]

1 minute ago, Slappy Mc said:

I agree that both are at fault. I am just a fan that dedicates my time and money to watching our team [strikethrough]succeed[/strikethrough] flounder. The thing is, like many have stated before, if Trent came out and said, "Hey, I'm underpaid. I want more money." We all would have understood; Supported him even. The way he is going about this is a cop-out. Yes, Cancer is a scary thing. Yes, I was furious with the Redskins Front Office/Medical Staff when this all started. But that's not what this is about "anymore". If anyone thinks Trent wants off the Redskins because of his cancer scare you are crazy. Trent wants more money from WHOEVER will pay him. That is what matters. If we offered him top dollar for Tackles, he would stay. Why? Because its about money. 

I'm not trying to villainize him. He tarnished his "legacy" (IMO) with how this is ending. New Coach, new opportunity to solidify yourself as one of the best LTs ever for the Redskins. He doesn't want that. If he doesn't want to be loyal, we dont have to be loyal to him. 

All we can say is, thanks for the time you were here (and playing) and good luck elsewhere. Now some desperate team give us what we want for him. (Yes my bitter side does not want him to get a ring elsewhere, sue me)

You are villainizing him though by overexaggerating facts to the point where they are not true.  

Trent did want off the Redskins because of the cancer scare and i'm sure he would be completely done with the franchise if Allen + Hess were still here.  The fact that the Redskins are even a possibility right now is because they have both been removed, plain and simple.  

[tredaddy]

2 minutes ago, brownie man said:

Lmao there are not 10 teams that are going to legit want him at that cost. 

 

A year less wear and tear with a brain issue. 
 

I am definitely down to make that bet. Unless you send at least a forth back. Your not getting a top half second free and clear. Maybe a later team straight up POSSIBLY. But NE doesn’t have a second so I doubt it 

Yeah it's hard to reason with you when you don't even know the facts of Trent's health.  There is no brain issue.  There was a cyst that was cancerous that was in weeks of spreading to his brain but it was removed in time = there is no brain issue.  

3 month sig bet?  Don't run when youre wrong 

[brownie man]

11 minutes ago, tredaddy said:

Yeah it's hard to reason with you when you don't even know the facts of Trent's health.  There is no brain issue.  There was a cyst that was cancerous that was in weeks of spreading to his brain but it was removed in time = there is no brain issue.  

3 month sig bet?  Don't run when youre wrong 

Ok I’m down with the sig best I forgot we can use our avatars I’m used to the old sig bets 😂 

I’m down 

[MKnight82]

36 minutes ago, brownie man said:

Your not getting a top half second free and clear.

Ya I don't agree with you.

[Slappy Mc]

27 minutes ago, tredaddy said:

You are villainizing him though by overexaggerating facts to the point where they are not true.  

Trent did want off the Redskins because of the cancer scare and i'm sure he would be completely done with the franchise if Allen + Hess were still here.  The fact that the Redskins are even a possibility right now is because they have both been removed, plain and simple.  

What have I over exaggerated? The fact that Money had been at the root of this entire standoff? 

Trent stayed away from the team because of the way they "handled" his diagnosis of the tumor. 

"I was told it was something minor, so I didn't really question it," Williams said of the team's initial assessment. He added, "The diagnosis that they gave me in the beginning, they kind of underestimated it."

First as most have stated for about 7 months, misdagnosing something as serious as cancer is awful. #Redskinsfault

Second, to not get a second opinion or see a specialist about something GROWING on your head is crazy. #Trentsfault

To not openly admit fault for something as serious as a cancer scare when it came up, and then to play it off as Trents fault is showing a tremendous lack of loyalty. #Redskinsfault

The decision to stay away from his teammates and boycott the team because of the health scare. Then when the medical records from the Redskins get submitted to the NFL, Trent requests the NFLPA to stay out of the review. Why? #Trentsfault

Brice Allen and many others get fired for being horrible representation of a once proud organization. #Damngoodculture #ThankfullyTrentsfault

Ron Rivera is hired. Known players coach who had a "productive meeting with Trent Williams". Trent requests a raise or to be traded, why? $$$ #Trentsfault

We can do this all day. 

The fact is, the underlying reason for everything is money. It's why we do anything in life. I dont want to downplay his situation, but he absolutely will not be absolved from his portion of responsibility in this. 

Flat out, you dont want to be here. We ship you off and get what we can for you. Thank you for your years of service and good luck in future endeavors. 

[tredaddy]

7 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said:

What have I over exaggerated? The fact that Money had been at the root of this entire standoff? 

Trent stayed away from the team because of the way they "handled" his diagnosis of the tumor. 

 

First as most have stated for about 7 months, misdagnosing something as serious as cancer is awful. #Redskinsfault

Second, to not get a second opinion or see a specialist about something GROWING on your head is crazy. #Trentsfault

To not openly admit fault for something as serious as a cancer scare when it came up, and then to play it off as Trents fault is showing a tremendous lack of loyalty. #Redskinsfault

The decision to stay away from his teammates and boycott the team because of the health scare. Then when the medical records from the Redskins get submitted to the NFL, Trent requests the NFLPA to stay out of the review. Why? #Trentsfault

Brice Allen and many others get fired for being horrible representation of a once proud organization. #Damngoodculture #ThankfullyTrentsfault

Ron Rivera is hired. Known players coach who had a "productive meeting with Trent Williams". Trent requests a raise or to be traded, why? $$$ #Trentsfault

We can do this all day. 

The fact is, the underlying reason for everything is money. It's why we do anything in life. I dont want to downplay his situation, but he absolutely will not be absolved from his portion of responsibility in this. 

Flat out, you dont want to be here. We ship you off and get what we can for you. Thank you for your years of service and good luck in future endeavors. 

?  You literally said in your original post that "Trent said he was unhappy with the way the Redskins handled his cancer scare (Lie detector determined that was a lie.)".  On top of that, you made false claims saying he said he would come back if Allen/Hess were removed. 

No one is denying Trent made mistakes on his end.  Exaggerating and saying complete BS about someone that has done so much for this organization is just wrong, plain and simple.  This is exactly why I don't blame him at all for wanting to leave this organization when we have fans and an organization that treats him like this! 

Edited March 6, 2020 by tredaddy

[offbyone]

6 hours ago, e16bball said:

I’m afraid I agree. 

But it’s not just Bruce’s doing. Trent has systematically torpedoed his own trade value with his bizarre behavior, ludicrous contract demands, and refusal to demonstrate that he can actually, you know, still play football. 

I just can’t envision anyone giving up a valuable asset like a 2nd round pick in this high quality draft for the right to give Trent a market-setting contract, sight unseen. There are 5 projectable OT starters in the 1st round of this draft that teams could opt for instead, and some decent projects that will come off the board later. They could use the money they save on an instant starter in the FA market at another position of need instead of investing it all in one giant question mark. 

And now that I think about it, maybe that’s Rivera’s plan. Let Trent see that the market for him is not nearly as hot as he expects it to be, let him see that no one wants to pay him what he’s asking for without some showing that he can still play — and maybe he comes back to the team a bit humbled and ready to play ball. Doubtful after his behavior over the last 8 months or so, but it could be the hope. 

I agree with the bolded.  Good chance Trent suddenly realizes his agent has been giving him bad advice all along.

I still would prefer we trade him even if he does lower his ask when he realizes the market isn't as big as he thinks. 

I agree with you that it is unlikely for another team to give up a top draft pick and then also give him some crazy contract.  I think the best thing for the redskins is that he decides he wants to chase a ring and will lower his asking price to facilitate a trade where the team is then more willing to give up a big draft pick. 

[Slappy Mc]

15 minutes ago, tredaddy said:

?  You literally said in your original post that "Trent said he was unhappy with the way the Redskins handled his cancer scare (Lie detector determined that was a lie.)".  On top of that, you made false claims saying he said he would come back if Allen/Hess were removed. 

No one is denying Trent made mistakes on his end.  Exaggerating and saying complete BS about someone that has done so much for this organization is just wrong, plain and simple.  This is exactly why I don't blame him at all for wanting to leave this organization when we have fans and an organization that treats him like this! 

Yes. The idea that the cancer scare is the sole reason he is "unhappy" with the organization is a lie. 

The idea that I am treating Trent anywhich way is completely off base. As I have said, I am a fan. Just because you don't agree with what I have said does not make it untrue. 

You believe what you want, Trent held out for money. When he didnt get the raise he wanted he dug his feet in and didnt play at all last year. Now he's doing it again. 

We currently dont have him playing for us and he had repeatedly said he wont play for us, so I say trade him and good riddance. 

This is a what have you done for me lately league and the only thing Trent had done in the last 12 months is refuse to be a part of this team.

[turtle28]

Bears, Broncos, Browns, Bucs, Chargers (they just traded Okung, unless they draft a LT), Jets (unless they’re sign Conklin or draft a LT), Pats and Vikings (if they cut Reiff).

[Thaiphoon]

1 hour ago, Slappy Mc said:

Yes. The idea that the cancer scare is the sole reason he is "unhappy" with the organization is a lie. 

The idea that I am treating Trent anywhich way is completely off base. As I have said, I am a fan. Just because you don't agree with what I have said does not make it untrue. 

You believe what you want, Trent held out for money. When he didnt get the raise he wanted he dug his feet in and didnt play at all last year. Now he's doing it again. 

We currently dont have him playing for us and he had repeatedly said he wont play for us, so I say trade him and good riddance. 

This is a what have you done for me lately league and the only thing Trent had done in the last 12 months is refuse to be a part of this team.

And we know it's a lie because the team doctors (whom he said he doesn't trust and allegedly - according to Trent - "poo-pooed" his cancer) are still there. The life and death scare can be made all better with $$. 

Not buying it. 

People hang on the fact that "well Trent never said...". And yet, the entire offseason, summer, training camp, and most of the season Trent allowed his closest friends to trash the organization and speak for him. And never corrected the record once.

I go by the adage of "don't pay attention to what someone says, watch what they DO instead." And in this case, what Trent didn't do was correct the record. He was perfectly fine with the narrative going around and did nothing to correct it. 

Meanwhile, if you watched closely, the $$$ was always the motivator. The cancer scare was just used as an excuse to shield him from criticism.

Specifically...

Trent said (or allowed to be said without correcting it) the following quotes that I've saved to my desktop (will find the links later):

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Williams doesn’t deny that he asked for a contract extension early this offseason. He told USA TODAY Sports that at one point he engaged Allen in a two-hour conversation about his contract.

“I knew I was coming up on a year with no guaranteed money, and I wanted to open the conversation about them making me a Redskin for the rest of my career,” Williams said. “I understand that either a team wants the player and will extend him, or they’ll send him somewhere so they can get some value for him. I told Bruce, ‘I understand that we’re in a rebuild and if you don’t want to dump any more money in the O-line, I’d like to go somewhere that I’m wanted.’ I still felt like I’ve got 5-6 more healthy years left of quality football.”

 

JPFinlay reported in August:

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"He's not coming back. Period," said one source that had spoken directly to Williams. 

DHall's podcast (he is one of Trent's friends and one that was leaking information for him):

 

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“He wants to be a part of whatever team wants him on their team fighting for him. Bruce has said, we want Trent Williams on this football team. We’re a better football team with him here. For him, there’s other things that factor into this. It’s the money thing, it’s the medical staff, the way things kind of shook out from that standpoint. Bruce said he’d make adjustments for Trent when it came to the medical staff. It’s just about getting those two guys together and figuring out what that is.

These guys aren’t very far off. If it’s a situation where they don’t want to pay him the money. He doesn’t mind saying ok, I’m going to come in here, play football, make the money I’m supposed to make and when that time comes, whether it’s free agency, the franchise tag, this is the same kind of treatment it will be. I’ll hold out, I’ll come in I’ll play I’ll be dominant, at some point it will get worked out. The same thing happened with Kirk, it’ll get worked out.”

 

 

[turtle28]

1 hour ago, Slappy Mc said:

Yes. The idea that the cancer scare is the sole reason he is "unhappy" with the organization is a lie. 

The idea that I am treating Trent anywhich way is completely off base. As I have said, I am a fan. Just because you don't agree with what I have said does not make it untrue. 

You believe what you want, Trent held out for money. When he didnt get the raise he wanted he dug his feet in and didnt play at all last year. Now he's doing it again. 

We currently dont have him playing for us and he had repeatedly said he wont play for us, so I say trade him and good riddance. 

This is a what have you done for me lately league and the only thing Trent had done in the last 12 months is refuse to be a part of this team.

Teams don’t care that Trent didn’t play last year, they know he’s a top 5 talent at LT still. They’ll trade for him if they have a hole or need an upgrade and hope that solidifies their OL.

If the Pats has him last year they would have run the ball a lot better and maybe that helps Brady and the passing game in play action so they win at least one playoff game.

[Thaiphoon]

1 minute ago, turtle28 said:

Bears, Broncos, Browns, Bucs, Chargers (they just traded Okung, unless they draft a LT), Jets (unless they’re sign Conklin or draft a LT), Pats and Vikings (if they cut Reiff).

In order of likelihood... Chargers, Jets, Browns, Rams, Vikings (maybe we swap Rieff for Trent and they give us a 2nd?)

[turtle28]

3 minutes ago, Thaiphoon said:

In order of likelihood... Chargers, Jets, Browns, Rams, Vikings (maybe we swap Rieff for Trent and they give us a 2nd?)

I read/heard Andrew Wittworth is coming back for another season, so the Rams don’t have a home atm.

Edited March 6, 2020 by turtle28