Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Zukhyubern]

1 hour ago, Outpost31 said:

Granted, but those places it was considered socially polite to wear masks BEFORE Covid broke out. 

Also, not saying it's right or wrong, but the perceived freedom Americans have versus the perceived freedom South Koreans don't have played its part. 

 

Here, I fixed it for you..

[acowboys62]

17 minutes ago, Xenos said:

Costco was just a specific example. You need both a membership and a mask to go into Costco now. But there are other examples like the pant’s one that @LETSGOBROWNIES brought up.

See my latest post, the difference being government enforced vs business enforced.  People don't like the government telling them what to do, but will comply with a private business telling them what they can and cannot do.  At the end of the day should it matter, probably not, (definitely not during a pandemic) but it does. 

[acowboys62]

1 hour ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

What about wearing a mask is “anti-freedom”?  Are pants anti-freedom?

What type of freedom we talking about here? I get way better mobility without pants than with pants, could lead to higher productivity in certain lines of work. 

[MacReady]

Just now, Zukhyubern said:

Here, I fixed it for you..

I mean that's semantics, but sure.  My point was not to suggest that South Korea is some authoritarian, zero rights, lacking in human rights country.  The fact of the matter is that their government has been able to take measures America has not been able to due to perceived freedom infringement.  So yeah, you're right.  Perceived. 

It's easier to control a pandemic when the people of your country accept contact tracing.  When the people of your country accept apps that track the spread. 

I'm not saying South Korea is wrong for doing that.  Never even HINTED at it, and people act like I'm some, "Yer cern't terk mer freedom," nut.

I'm sitting here not leaving my house for LITERALLY anything but work and groceries once a week and I wear a mask every time I leave my house, but for some reason everyone here seems to think I'm going around in a ****ing Speedo without a mask on waving the American flag shouting at people who wear masks.

I literally granted that South Korea did an obviously better job than America and somehow it came back that I'm a freedom loving walking American Flag.

It just gets old. 

[animaltested]

6 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/coronavirus-brings-anti-chinese-sentiment-south-korea-200221094732254.html

In America you can't discriminate based on religion, race, nationality. 

This entire article didn't, actually, come from my bunghole. 

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-31/chinese-tourists-were-a-welcome-source-of-cash-across-asia-now-theyre-a-source-of-panic

Also another article NOT written by my bunghole. 

If you took ten minutes to step outside of your own bunghole, you would see this was not an accusation of South Korea not having basic human rights, but a statement based on the measures South Korea can take to control covid that America cannot. 

My dude, you do know the US government has restricted travel from multiple countries, right?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-other-countries.html

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a statement based on the measures South Korea can take to control covid that America cannot. 

Seems like same-same idk.

Anyway, I got no clue what anti-Chinese sentiment has to do with Covid precautions and a countries amount of FREEDOM.

[winitall]

9 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/coronavirus-brings-anti-chinese-sentiment-south-korea-200221094732254.html

In America you can't discriminate based on religion, race, nationality. 

This entire article didn't, actually, come from my bunghole. 

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-31/chinese-tourists-were-a-welcome-source-of-cash-across-asia-now-theyre-a-source-of-panic

Also another article NOT written by my bunghole. 

If you took ten minutes to step outside of your own bunghole, you would see this was not an accusation of South Korea not having basic human rights, but a statement based on the measures South Korea can take to control covid that America cannot. 

Discrimination by random individuals or businesses in South Korea is not the reason that they are doing a million times better controlling COVID. The idea of that is ludicrous. 
 

I also wouldn’t be throwing around the US as some noble case against discrimination when there have been over 2,000 reported hate incidents in the country since March. 

[MacReady]

Just now, animaltested said:

My dude, you do know the US government has restricted travel from multiple countries, right?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-other-countries.html

Seems like same-same idk.

Anyway, I got no clue what anti-Chinese sentiment has to do with Covid precautions and a countries amount of FREEDOM.

My dude, ask @ramssuperbowl99.  He’s got all the info on why America was not able to enact contract tracing.  He posted it in here somewhere.  If one country can contact trace and one cannot, one government has more ability to handle covid than the other.

Also, tell me what you think would happen to any business in America that posted a “No Chinese” sign on its front window.

I am not insulting South Korea.  I never did.  If anything I praised their handling of covid.  Not the blatant racism of some businesses who restricted people based on their nationality, but I certainly praised South Korea for the measures they were able to take that we in America were not.

[MacReady]

Just now, winitall said:

Discrimination by random individuals or businesses in South Korea is not the reason that they are doing a million times better controlling COVID. The idea of that is ludicrous. 
 

I also wouldn’t be throwing around the US as some noble case against discrimination when there have been over 2,000 reported hate incidents in the country since March. 

It’s an example of the attitude of South Korea, not the explanation.  Tracking measures and widespread mask use are what I cited as the biggest reasons.  Prove that wrong.

[MikeT14]

4 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

You have a perfect excuse to day drink and goof off online.

 

3 hours ago, ET80 said:

Welcome to my world, every single day in every single thread...

I'd rather connect these dots. 

[acowboys62]

1 minute ago, Outpost31 said:

It’s an example of the attitude of South Korea, not the explanation.  Tracking measures and widespread mask use are what I cited as the biggest reasons.  Prove that wrong.

Two things the US just cannot do efficiently, never would have been able to.  The US is the most inefficient machine when it comes to actual matters of public best interest. 

[animaltested]

17 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

They also had "No Chinese allowed" on signs in front of restaurants and businesses.  Tell me what would happen if that sign appeared somewhere in America. 

My guy, anti-Chinese sentiment was pretty prevelent in the US. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/smashed-windows-racist-graffiti-vandals-target-asian-americans-amid-coronavirus-n1180556

Again, not sure what this has to do COVID precaution and a countries level of freedom.

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However, South Korea has done things that Americans would not accept. 

They had an app that displays known cases within 100 meters of known cases.  Imagine how well that would go over in America. 

They also have contact tracing.  Something America cannot have because of infringement on privacy rights. 

South Korea also immediately started screening people at airlines.  Compare that to a country that raised hell at the full body scans that scanned for weapons at an airport. 

 

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Apple and Google announced plans to build COVID-19 tracing into iPhone and Android operating systems on April 10. The move marked a major partnership between the top two mobile operating system competitors in an effort to limit the spread of COVID-19. Platform updates to enable the COVID-19 contact tracing feature on iOS and Android were publicly released 40 days later on May 20

As for airport screening :

https://www.dhs.gov/coronavirus/protecting-air-travelers-and-american-public

 

So like, IDK, what the difference?

[MacReady]

Just now, acowboys62 said:

Two things the US just cannot do efficiently, never would have been able to.  The US is the most inefficient machine when it comes to actual matters of public best interest. 

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

27 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

Grow up.  I never hinted at, suggested and I certainly didn't say anything suggesting that requiring people to wear a mask on private property or as a business was anti-freedom. 

I never said that was your stance, cool your jets pal.

But implying that “our freedom” is a valid reason is silly, lots of places have freedom.  

[Xenos]

3 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

All you had to do was say this at the beginning instead implying infringement of rights.

[MacReady]

Just now, animaltested said:

My guy, anti-Chinese sentiment was pretty prevelent in the US. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/smashed-windows-racist-graffiti-vandals-target-asian-americans-amid-coronavirus-n1180556

Again, not sure what this has to do COVID precaution and a countries level of freedom.

As for airport screening :

https://www.dhs.gov/coronavirus/protecting-air-travelers-and-american-public

 

So like, IDK, what the difference?

Quit dodging the point.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/nondiscrimination-basis-race-color-national-origin-sex-religion-or-age-law-enforcement-programs

https://www.insureon.com/blog/how-the-right-to-refuse-service-can-impact-your-business

You saying there's racism and descrimination in America is like you saying water is wet. 

I AM NOT SAYING THERE ISN'T RACISM AND DISCRIMINATION IN AMERICA.

In South Korea, those restaurants got away with discriminating based on nationality/race.  You cannot do that in America. 

Let me say this again so you understand the point:

I am not saying there isn't racism and discrimination in America.  I am saying it is illegal in America, and if a restaurant put up a sign saying NO CHINESE, they would be sued. 

I am also going to highlight the most important part so you can't keep dodging what my point was all along.

Gonna put it in big ****ing letters, too. 

South Korea has been able to contact trace.  South Korea has been able to track and monitor cases and provide that information to the public.  America has not been able to do that.