hitnhope Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, Packerraymond said: Do you view 2005 in the same light? mismanagement of assets? Not at all. Favre had been threatening to retire yearly for several years. The cap ramifications were different. The contracts were different. I was happy with the pick in 2005. Today's NFL is different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitnhope Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Rainmaker90 said: Everyone at that area is bunched up. Mims isn’t much better than the WRs available and vice versa. This could give us a QB for the next 10 plus years . You cannot pass that up Tell that to the Saints and the Patriots. And both of those teams are closer to needing their next QB than we are. You can, and should have passed it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwaye50327 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, YaddaHolla said: Sure. But if he does we’re set for 15 years. we might not have a shot at a QB prospect like Love for the rest of Rodgers’ career. What’s your plan post Rodgers at that point? Right. If he doesn't pan out, we just wasted another 1st round pick. What makes Love so special? Every year there is a QB like Love that comes out that everyone drools over about being the best pick or a safe pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitnhope Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, YaddaHolla said: Sure. But if he does we’re set for 15 years. we might not have a shot at a QB prospect like Love for the rest of Rodgers’ career. What’s your plan post Rodgers at that point? Right. The same plan we should have now if the high likelihood that Love doesn't pan out comes to fruition. People really are bending over backwards to pretend this move made sense, and was a good football move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, hitnhope said: Not at all. Favre had been threatening to retire yearly for several years. The cap ramifications were different. The contracts were different. I was happy with the pick in 2005. Today's NFL is different. In some ways yes, in some ways no. QB is still all that matters in the NFL, it's even more of what matters than 2005. You don't have a QB, you don't contend for a SB. I don't see any crippling cap ramifications, cutting Rodgers gains us 22+ mil in 2 years. I also don't see the difference of threatening to retire, versus declining play. You need elite QB, or you need good QB play and an elite roster. Rodgers and a 40 mil cap hit is not going to allow us to to build an elite roster, so he'll need to be elite. If he isn't, we'll be better off with Love by then. There's no such thing as just giving a player the keys to the franchise and letting him play until he wants to stop. Belicheck just showed us that no one is above the team, Brady isn't that good any more and he didn't really want him back. Rodgers needs to trend upward instead of downward the next 2 years to stick around in 2022, not impossible, but not likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, hitnhope said: The same plan we should have now if the high likelihood that Love doesn't pan out comes to fruition. People really are bending over backwards to pretend this move made sense, and was a good football move. A lot of people were predicting this pick because it does make sense. Love is super talented and our QB is old and has injury concerns. We can move off AR in 2 years with 17M or 3 years with pretty much no hit which gives us 2-3 years to evaluate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitnhope Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, pacman5252 said: A lot of people were predicting this pick because it does make sense. Love is super talented and our QB is old and has injury concerns. We can move off AR in 2 years with 17M or 3 years with pretty much no hit which gives us 2-3 years to evaluate. It only makes sense if we have a trade already lined up for Rodgers now. Losing 3+ years of the rookie salary cap help is bad asset management. We are playing to never suck bad, rather than playing to win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopackgo972 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, hitnhope said: The same plan we should have now if the high likelihood that Love doesn't pan out comes to fruition. People really are bending over backwards to pretend this move made sense, and was a good football move. but can you argue against the fact that it’s either trade down at 30 or take Love? You can’t argue against that. So either gain an extra 4th or prepare for the future. Is a 4th really worth a potential franchise QB. The risk vs reward here is worth it. That’s what this is all about. People want a player that would’ve impacted this coming season. Sorry but that player doesn’t exist in this draft for the Packers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Assuming Rodgers is traded in 2022 Working my way through the thread... What is Rodgers' cap hit to the team that trades for him in 2022? (and 2023) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopackgo972 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, hitnhope said: It only makes sense if we have a trade already lined up for Rodgers now. Losing 3+ years of the rookie salary cap help is bad asset management. We are playing to never suck bad, rather than playing to win. What pick at 30 would’ve helped us play to win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoremore Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, hitnhope said: No. No you don't. You only do it when it makes sense. It was too early to make sense. We have had to endure a couple of seasons without Aaron due to injury. Have to factor that in as well. Aaron has 2-3 seasons left timing was right IMO. This kid could bust and we may have to go back to the well again. At least we'll have a couple of years to determine that. No problem starting the search now. Might have to take another shot down the road. If you don't have a succession plan in place you are doomed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 This is a tough pick to get over, as it means the team is diametrically opposed to the direction you saw it moving. Long term over short term. I didn't watch any Love, but once you get over the initial shock, you cannot call this a bad pick. It may be disappointing, but there is no way you could call it bad. QB is by far the most important position in football. If you are set there, you can win. The Packers saw a guy who they think will set them up at the most important position after Rodgers is finished. That can't be understated. It sucks in the short term, but there's a chance that in 4 years everyone in the football world is looking at this as undeniably the best pick in the draft. Also, this draft is incredibly deep at WR. You can definitely find a starter to help out Rodgers today. Heads up Pack. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 58 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: What a terrible, awful, miserable choice. Filed under: Things Said About Aaron Rodgers in 2005 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Working my way through the thread... What is Rodgers' cap hit to the team that trades for him in 2022? (and 2023) Cap hit to the team acquiring Rodgers should be the $22.65M number for 2022. Packers eat $17m of the $40m cap hit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflbillsfan Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I like the move as a non packers fan. Your not going to get put in a position that certain teams have been in such as the Patriots they invested in Tom and didnt spend a high draft pick on a Qb knowing he was getting up there and last year they could have pulled it off once they realized they couldnt financially keep Tom in 2020 season. By doing this you have Rodgers locked in for 2022 offseason at that time they can move on from Rodgers with a 17 mil dead cape or keep him for one more year he will be 38-39 years old at that time. Yes a Wr would have been nice but after Lamb was drafted the tier of talent dropped off and is said to have several wr that are at the same level through out rd 2. So they can still snag a weapon if need be in rd 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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