NCOUGHMAN Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 5 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Show me a qb who doesn't look good without weapons. The fact is, Carr was tearing it up with Ruggs/Waller/Renfrow. Wasn't as good without Ruggs. Then struggled without Ruggs and Waller. You think the next qb we bring in will be any different unless they're elite out of the box? Might as well load up. The 49ers did with with Garoppolo. Loaded up talent before drafting a rookie to groom. Carr was tearing it up this year? Why do you think/ say that? yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Carr was tearing it up this year? Why do you think/ say that? yards? Short term, selective memory. Not surprised. You conveniently don't remember people calling him an MVP candidate early in the year albeit premature but they obviously talk about that stuff too early. Carr was playing fantastic whether you want to agree with it or not. Edited December 8, 2021 by BobbyPhil1781 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 5 hours ago, dante9876 said: Matt Jones will have more playoff wins than carr in one year Iin the league. Pats fans had to deal with one year of cam to make it happen. I'm willing to do two years of a garbage qb to make it happen. Matt Jones converted to WR and quickly fell out of the league, so I have no idea what you're going on about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Carr was tearing it up this year? Why do you think/ say that? yards? He was. Yards and all the bombs he was throwing. We get a lot of rush tds as a team but we were putting up big points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaribouLou Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 MVP conversation before the first half of the year is over is ridiculous in the first place 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 10 hours ago, dante9876 said: Resigning Carr means the new staff and coach feels different about how bad the roster is than everybody in here. If roster is as bad as people say it is. Resigning Carr to 30 mill isn't a move a smart gm would do. Unless Mark makes them do it. And that's what I'm afraid of. Depends on the GM/HC. Depends on how you want to build the team. They may look at the success the team had before Gruden-gate and think they are one deep threat away from recapturing the explosive offense. To get a better idea of how things will play out we need to know who will be hired. Once again we will have to many changing parts to tell what the real issue is and that is extremely frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 4 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Carr was tearing it up this year? Why do you think/ say that? yards? Whether you think he was tearing it up or not the only way to get a good idea of his impact is to see the next most capable QB under center for an extended period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 3 hours ago, drfrey13 said: Whether you think he was tearing it up or not the only way to get a good idea of his impact is to see the next most capable QB under center for an extended period of time. Any average QB would struggle with Olson calling plays (but Mariota could keep a few drives going with his scrambling ability) so i don't think we would learn much (nothing definitive either way). But it doesn't mean Carr is blameless since he's also leaving plays on the field when the calls got a target open. He's not agressive enough, some throws are off targets in key situations, he doesn't see some open guys and he's getting sacked on obvious blitzes where the hot read throw should be available (for example the Ioannidis sack this week, they're showing blitz and end up sending 6, got to get rid of it quickly because the protection won't hold up very long. there's a similar play against Dallas but i don't remember the details right now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 An 8 year vet should not be missing this many open WRs. Especially in critical situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 50 minutes ago, big_palooka said: An 8 year vet should not be missing this many open WRs. Especially in critical situations. The one with Jacobs wide open in the middle on 3rd down is even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 7 hours ago, CaribouLou said: MVP conversation before the first half of the year is over is ridiculous in the first place This 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 8 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: He was. Yards and all the bombs he was throwing. We get a lot of rush tds as a team but we were putting up big points. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 52 minutes ago, oakdb36 said: The one with Jacobs wide open in the middle on 3rd down is even worse. I don't think I saw that one. It's another one of my issues with Carr. He gets tunnel vision on his favorite targets for stretches at a time. I remember the tape of Cooper consistently getting open and not getting looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 4 hours ago, oakdb36 said: Any average QB would struggle with Olson calling plays (but Mariota could keep a few drives going with his scrambling ability) so i don't think we would learn much (nothing definitive either way). But it doesn't mean Carr is blameless since he's also leaving plays on the field when the calls got a target open. He's not agressive enough, some throws are off targets in key situations, he doesn't see some open guys and he's getting sacked on obvious blitzes where the hot read throw should be available (for example the Ioannidis sack this week, they're showing blitz and end up sending 6, got to get rid of it quickly because the protection won't hold up very long. there's a similar play against Dallas but i don't remember the details right now). The point is to see how another QB performs under the same circumstances. In a perfect world you want to only change 1 variable to see the true impact of that variable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 30 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: The point is to see how another QB performs under the same circumstances. In a perfect world you want to only change 1 variable to see the true impact of that variable. I understand but Olson shares a lot of blame too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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