The Raider Depreciation Thread 📉

[G]

13 hours ago, big_palooka said:

I think that is fair. They need to show they can build out the defense around Maxx and that the picks they are making can earn second contracts. I want to see some consistency in roster construction, the turnover year after year does nobody any favors. 

They seem to have a plan, but it will take some patience to come to fruition which we are all tired of. 

Building around Maxx we've drafted a NT and DT last season with Farrell and Butler.  This year a DT that can DE in 3/4 in Young, NT NJS and Wilson at DE. So if they develop were good to go on the D line especially if Koonce can play well enough to get a 2nd contract as a pass rush specialist/breather for our DE's. 

Last season it also looked like they were focusing on our running game with two RB's and two Oline who actually played a lot. So run the ball and stop the run. Back to basics. 

[NYRaider]

16 hours ago, big_palooka said:

I think they were interested in their price. The FA class, especially on defense was weak. The ROI in this class will be negative league wide as it is every year. 

FA is to fill gaps when you've drafted well and have the foundation. Trying to spend your way into relevance never works. 

Is that why we've spent so much on skill position players?

[NYRaider]

38 minutes ago, G said:

Building around Maxx we've drafted a NT and DT last season with Farrell and Butler.  This year a DT that can DE in 3/4 in Young, NT NJS and Wilson at DE. So if they develop were good to go on the D line especially if Koonce can play well enough to get a 2nd contract as a pass rush specialist/breather for our DE's. 

Last season it also looked like they were focusing on our running game with two RB's and two Oline who actually played a lot. So run the ball and stop the run. Back to basics. 

Why couldn't we have taken the opposite approach? Invested 5-7th rounders on QB and WR while investing into the defense?

[bucksavage1]

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

Why couldn't we have taken the opposite approach? Invested 5-7th rounders on QB and WR while investing into the defense?

It’s an offensive league

[raidersedge]

I could be wrong, but I have a feeling if the Raiders had #1 pick in 2024 draft Josh McDaniels won't take Caleb Williams. I think he would lean more towards Drake Maye which isn't ok with me. I know Ziegler is the GM but McDaniels is probably taking whatever QB he likes. This is my biggest problem with this regimen. They come from NE and they look for certain players, builds, etc... Everyone plays a specific role, It's not organic. Patriots process has always been robotic. I'm a football podcast junkie and I listen to Patriots Unfiltered and those guys are die-hard fans and even they know they the Patriot way is outdated, and they're aware Belichick's time is coming to an end.

While multiple teams around the league even teams with old stubborn ownership like the Giants and Colts are adapting to this new style NFL with the way teams build their offense. Not that McDaniels offense can't work but there are way too many signs that point to the NFL going away from these traditional style QBs and offenses. Maye Tebow scared McDaniels but it sounds like Antony Richardson wasn't even on his radar. If that's true, it's pretty alarming to me. 

Mark Davis desperately wants continuity. He doesn't want to fire these guys but if this season is similar to last year or worse, I can't see how he can stay the course while the rest of the NFL is passing him by. 

[big_palooka]

15 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

I’d rather not piggyback off the pats I mean kc and others did it there own way 

I personally think the patriot way is outdated and over exposed 

I don't disagree. I think the Patriot way, which is really just an extension of Bill Parcell's can work, but takes time to acquire the right players and culture. The issue I've seen is bad teams hire a Patriot assistant who comes trying to emulate Bill B. I think McDaniels understands that mistake from his first go. And I think those same bad teams are quick to fire before things can take hold, because that is what bad teams do.

KC is all Andy Reid who was a great coach in Philly. Nagy sucked when he got his chance. The McVey and Shanny coaches are the new trend. I could get behind either. 

[NCOUGHMAN]

37 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

I don't disagree. I think the Patriot way, which is really just an extension of Bill Parcell's can work, but takes time to acquire the right players and culture. The issue I've seen is bad teams hire a Patriot assistant who comes trying to emulate Bill B. I think McDaniels understands that mistake from his first go. And I think those same bad teams are quick to fire before things can take hold, because that is what bad teams do.

KC is all Andy Reid who was a great coach in Philly. Nagy sucked when he got his chance. The McVey and Shanny coaches are the new trend. I could get behind either. 

I think jmd’s playbook is over exposed and not very innovative. interested to see if he opens it up with jimmy or if we’ll be extra predictable again. 
 

older coaches imo like Andy Reid survive due to their creativity and working with their players. Jmd seems like the opposite but we’ll see

[Darbsk]

8 hours ago, G said:

Building around Maxx we've drafted a NT and DT last season with Farrell and Butler.  This year a DT that can DE in 3/4 in Young, NT NJS and Wilson at DE. So if they develop were good to go on the D line especially if Koonce can play well enough to get a 2nd contract as a pass rush specialist/breather for our DE's. 

Last season it also looked like they were focusing on our running game with two RB's and two Oline who actually played a lot. So run the ball and stop the run. Back to basics. 

I kinda agree but last year I think we spent a 4th and a 5th round draft pick on DT so that’s usually depth guys at best. This year I like spending a 1st and 3rd so that’s great and more like it.

I’d personally be drafting DLine every year in the top 3 rounds. You simply cannot have enough of those guys. It’s a start and hopefully Wilson and Young both prove to be building blocks for the future, Young was a bit of a surprise but he could be a sneaky good pick.

[drfrey13]

21 hours ago, Darbsk said:

I kinda agree but last year I think we spent a 4th and a 5th round draft pick on DT so that’s usually depth guys at best. This year I like spending a 1st and 3rd so that’s great and more like it.

I’d personally be drafting DLine every year in the top 3 rounds. You simply cannot have enough of those guys. It’s a start and hopefully Wilson and Young both prove to be building blocks for the future, Young was a bit of a surprise but he could be a sneaky good pick.

First let me say I do like Young but I do not like him in the 3rd at all.  He was the type of player I had my eye on and would have taken him in the 5th without question.  At the same time if he was not there in the 5th I would not have been angry either.  

[true2form]

On 7/28/2023 at 5:35 PM, big_palooka said:

I think they were interested in their price. The FA class, especially on defense was weak. The ROI in this class will be negative league wide as it is every year. 

FA is to fill gaps when you've drafted well and have the foundation. Trying to spend your way into relevance never works. 

And there's nothing wrong with that approach.  However, it means you're not going to be as good of a team in the meantime.  It just does.

You can slow build all you want, but then fans have to realize that's what you're doing and keep expectations in check.

[Darbsk]

2 hours ago, true2form said:

And there's nothing wrong with that approach.  However, it means you're not going to be as good of a team in the meantime.  It just does.

You can slow build all you want, but then fans have to realize that's what you're doing and keep expectations in check.

Good point, however, for this fan base which has been success starved and wants some semblance of winning ASAP that is going to be a big ask. It’s tough to see when other teams seem to turn around very quickly and we’ve been doing it for 20 years 😁

[big_palooka]

1 hour ago, Darbsk said:

Good point, however, for this fan base which has been success starved and wants some semblance of winning ASAP that is going to be a big ask. It’s tough to see when other teams seem to turn around very quickly and we’ve been doing it for 20 years 😁

There are two types of teams IMO. 

Teams that turn around quickly, typically have a foundation and are accustom to winning. Pull the right levers, they catch up quickly. 

Teams that have losing cultures.... Raiders, Browns, Lions, Jets, Commanders, etc. can't turn things around as quickly. There is a root issue with these teams. They require a complete shift in culture shift.  

Quickest way to turn things around..... get a franchise QB and start winning. 

Jets and Browns will be interesting watches this year. Teams that sold out everything for a QB to try and become relevant. Will it matter? Lions trying the Carr/Cousins route with a mid QB.

 

[Dessie]

On 7/29/2023 at 4:44 PM, raidersedge said:

I could be wrong, but I have a feeling if the Raiders had #1 pick in 2024 draft Josh McDaniels won't take Caleb Williams. I think he would lean more towards Drake Maye which isn't ok with me. I know Ziegler is the GM but McDaniels is probably taking whatever QB he likes. This is my biggest problem with this regimen. They come from NE and they look for certain players, builds, etc... Everyone plays a specific role, It's not organic. Patriots process has always been robotic. I'm a football podcast junkie and I listen to Patriots Unfiltered and those guys are die-hard fans and even they know they the Patriot way is outdated, and they're aware Belichick's time is coming to an end.

While multiple teams around the league even teams with old stubborn ownership like the Giants and Colts are adapting to this new style NFL with the way teams build their offense. Not that McDaniels offense can't work but there are way too many signs that point to the NFL going away from these traditional style QBs and offenses. Maye Tebow scared McDaniels but it sounds like Antony Richardson wasn't even on his radar. If that's true, it's pretty alarming to me. 

Mark Davis desperately wants continuity. He doesn't want to fire these guys but if this season is similar to last year or worse, I can't see how he can stay the course while the rest of the NFL is passing him by. 

Can never understand the logic of complaining about something that hasn’t happened yet. 

[RaidersAreOne]

https://x.com/kuhntristen/status/1696986908251869357?s=46&t=rfjQOnFxN5Y5dbOW6S1nog

 

[bucksavage1]

28 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said:

https://x.com/kuhntristen/status/1696986908251869357?s=46&t=rfjQOnFxN5Y5dbOW6S1nog

 

Quientin Bell and Azeez Victor..whoooo!??! 😂

I don’t remember those draft picks. Camp fodder