WindyCity Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 13 hours ago, Epyon said: I can't say I liked the playcalling more when our main running back only gets 11 carries in a game we where up on points the majority of and should have been burning clock on. It wasn't nagy calling the plays, but it looked exactly the same to me. The passing game needs the reps. I have no issue when you are up huge working on some things instead of grinding clock and punting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Here are the rankings of the passing defenses Trubisky has started against in 2020 (by QB Rating Allowed): DET - 29 NYG - 15 ATL - 27 GNB - 22 DET - 29 HOU - 32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 2 hours ago, abstract_thought said: Here are the rankings of the passing defenses Trubisky has started against in 2020 (by QB Rating Allowed): DET - 29 NYG - 15 ATL - 27 GNB - 22 DET - 29 HOU - 32 Yes, we need to improve the OL so we can at least be average against good defenses. Much more difficult is improving at QB, which we also need to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 3 hours ago, abstract_thought said: Here are the rankings of the passing defenses Trubisky has started against in 2020 (by QB Rating Allowed): DET - 29 NYG - 15 ATL - 27 GNB - 22 DET - 29 HOU - 32 Regardless of this, if Mitch goes out and balls against MIN JAX and GB and this team goes 3-0 and makes the PO's I think that will go a long way towards changing people's perception of him and this coaching staff. If he fails and the team fails then there is no question that major changes have to be made for next season and I doubt Mitch returns in any capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
41st ward Chicagoian Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-senior-bowl-roster-reveal-what-you-need-to-know Good article on NFL. Senior bowl invites. 5 of 8 QB are rostered. I am really warming up to Trask and hope he’s the pick. The four other QBs I really want to see as mid to late round options as the bears QB3. The Oline talent will also be interesting to watch. Finally the SEC championship game is Saturday. Trask vs Mac Jones or as I am calling “Da Bears Bowl 2020” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Trapped on eternal phone calls, and was dicking around with a mock drafterizer and came up with the following, with quite a few trades back. 44. Dillon Radunz OT North Dakota State 58. Mac Jones QB Alabama 75. Kenneth Gainwell RB Memphis 79. Kyle Trask QB Florida 81. Teven Jenkins OT Oklahoma State 105. Andre Cisco S Syracuse 140. Jordan Smith EDGE UAB 141. Drake Jackson OC Kentucky 171. Dazz Newsome WR North Carolina 175. Jamie Newman QB Georgia 196. Dante Stills DT West Virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 2 hours ago, topwop1 said: Regardless of this, if Mitch goes out and balls against MIN JAX and GB and this team goes 3-0 and makes the PO's I think that will go a long way towards changing people's perception of him and this coaching staff. If he fails and the team fails then there is no question that major changes have to be made for next season and I doubt Mitch returns in any capacity. Which would be a mistake, because he's never in his career been a good QB. It's OK to be excited about the chances of the playoffs. But the organization shouldn't determine Trubisky's future based on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: Which would be a mistake, because he's never in his career been a good QB. It's OK to be excited about the chances of the playoffs. But the organization shouldn't determine Trubisky's future based on that. Well the only reason I'd contemplate bringing him back at this point is if this situation played out and ownership decided to bring back both Pace & the coaching staff for another year. I don't know about you but I do not want this current regime picking a new QB high on the draft. Mitch returning on a fairly modest 1-year prove it deal would be fine but I doubt it happens anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Before you read this, I kindly ask that you take off your "I love Trubisky", "I hate Trubisky", "I don't care about Trubisky" hats and just look at what is being presented. Thank you. I was having a conversation earlier today and it dawned on me that, for whatever reason, we are one of the few fan bases in the NFL that want to run a young QB out the door. If you look just at statistical production (QB rating is flawed but it is a quick and easy method to compare players), what would we be doing and saying with the following players? Jared Goff under Sean McVay: 64.4%, 4.7 TD%, 2.2 INT%, 7.8 YPA, 94.8 rating Carson Wentz under Doug Pederson: 62.7%, 4.5 TD%, 2.0 INT%, 6.7 YPA, 89.2 rating Kyler Murray under Kliff Kingsbury: 65.6%, 4.3 TD%, 2.2 INT%, 6.9 YPA, 90.8 rating Josh Allen under Brian Daboll: 60.9%, 4.6 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 7.0 YPA, 87.6 rating Baker Mayfield (career due to multiple OCs): 61.7%, 5.2 TD%, 3.1 INT%, 7.4 YPA, 88.8 rating Mitchell Trubisky under Matt Nagy: 64.6%, 4.7 TD%, 2.3 INT%, 6.7 YPA, 89.7 rating There are inconsistencies, I get it for sure. I've read "bum slayer" on here and twitter, fine. But just step back and look at the total production and compare it to these other "young" QBs listed. Why is Goff a franchise QB? Murray? Allen? (granted Allen is having a hell of a year this season) What makes anyone think that Kyle Trask or Mac Jones are going to come in here and be better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, G08 said: What makes anyone think that Kyle Trask or Mac Jones are going to come in here and be better? The offense has to be dumbed down to college levels for Mitch to have success. Even seeing the breakdown of last week's tape where mitch played well. He's leaving plays on the field because he lacks the vision, balls, mechanics, or talent to make those plays. Idc if he's statistically the best qb the team has ever had, he still isn't good enough to win rings in the modern era. Now granted, he's -=far=- from the only problem on this team... The ol rarely block, the wrs even more rarely block, the play action fakes are terrible, and the coaching staff seemingly can't comprehend offensive rhythm or even just that Corderelle Patterson isn't a running back.... But if you're either part of the problem or part of the solution, it's pretty clear where Mitch sits, and he isn't a solution. But at the specific question regarding those two players.... Oof... I very seriously doubt Trask would work for us. Our OL sucks entirely too much for him, similar to how it looked with Foles. Jones I haven't really been able to evaluate... He's got such an elite team around him that it's just hard to project him. Edited December 17, 2020 by Epyon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Epyon said: The offense has to be dumbed down to college levels for Mitch to have success This is patently false. You're seeing the same concepts that are run by the 49ers and Rams. Edited December 17, 2020 by G08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, G08 said: Before you read this, I kindly ask that you take off your "I love Trubisky", "I hate Trubisky", "I don't care about Trubisky" hats and just look at what is being presented. Thank you. I was having a conversation earlier today and it dawned on me that, for whatever reason, we are one of the few fan bases in the NFL that want to run a young QB out the door. If you look just at statistical production (QB rating is flawed but it is a quick and easy method to compare players), what would we be doing and saying with the following players? Jared Goff under Sean McVay: 64.4%, 4.7 TD%, 2.2 INT%, 7.8 YPA, 94.8 rating Carson Wentz under Doug Pederson: 62.7%, 4.5 TD%, 2.0 INT%, 6.7 YPA, 89.2 rating Kyler Murray under Kliff Kingsbury: 65.6%, 4.3 TD%, 2.2 INT%, 6.9 YPA, 90.8 rating Josh Allen under Brian Daboll: 60.9%, 4.6 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 7.0 YPA, 87.6 rating Baker Mayfield (career due to multiple OCs): 61.7%, 5.2 TD%, 3.1 INT%, 7.4 YPA, 88.8 rating Mitchell Trubisky under Matt Nagy: 64.6%, 4.7 TD%, 2.3 INT%, 6.7 YPA, 89.7 rating There are inconsistencies, I get it for sure. I've read "bum slayer" on here and twitter, fine. But just step back and look at the total production and compare it to these other "young" QBs listed. Why is Goff a franchise QB? Murray? Allen? (granted Allen is having a hell of a year this season)What makes anyone think that Kyle Trask or Mac Jones are going to come in here and be better? To be fair I don't think any one QB is going to come in here and do a whole lot better than Mitch is under this coaching staff. That is why I am not really high on the idea of Matt Nagy getting another shot with his own QB in the draft. The Nick Foles experiment was such a disaster. Plus how he gave up on Mitch so easily for that crap... how can we really trust him? Edited December 17, 2020 by topwop1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, G08 said: Before you read this, I kindly ask that you take off your "I love Trubisky", "I hate Trubisky", "I don't care about Trubisky" hats and just look at what is being presented. Thank you. I was having a conversation earlier today and it dawned on me that, for whatever reason, we are one of the few fan bases in the NFL that want to run a young QB out the door. If you look just at statistical production (QB rating is flawed but it is a quick and easy method to compare players), what would we be doing and saying with the following players? Jared Goff under Sean McVay: 64.4%, 4.7 TD%, 2.2 INT%, 7.8 YPA, 94.8 rating Carson Wentz under Doug Pederson: 62.7%, 4.5 TD%, 2.0 INT%, 6.7 YPA, 89.2 rating Kyler Murray under Kliff Kingsbury: 65.6%, 4.3 TD%, 2.2 INT%, 6.9 YPA, 90.8 rating Josh Allen under Brian Daboll: 60.9%, 4.6 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 7.0 YPA, 87.6 rating Baker Mayfield (career due to multiple OCs): 61.7%, 5.2 TD%, 3.1 INT%, 7.4 YPA, 88.8 rating Mitchell Trubisky under Matt Nagy: 64.6%, 4.7 TD%, 2.3 INT%, 6.7 YPA, 89.7 rating There are inconsistencies, I get it for sure. I've read "bum slayer" on here and twitter, fine. But just step back and look at the total production and compare it to these other "young" QBs listed. Why is Goff a franchise QB? Murray? Allen? (granted Allen is having a hell of a year this season) What makes anyone think that Kyle Trask or Mac Jones are going to come in here and be better? It's not really fair to compare Mitch to guys that are younger. If Murray/Allen/Mayfield are struggling in year 4, they won't be kept either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, G08 said: This is patently false. You're seeing the same concepts that are run by the 49ers and Rams. This is true. We are essentially running a lot of the same heavily scripted stuff that Kubiak, Shannahan and McVay run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, G08 said: This is patently false. You're seeing the same concepts that are run by the 49ers and Rams. This is true. We are essentially running a lot of the same heavily scripted stuff that Kubiak, Shannahan and McVay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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