Devilshark69 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 33 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said: You should really stop making statements like Carr is a middle of the road QB and throw in I think. This..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, BayRaider said: Carr is definitely not a Top 10 QB. Highest you can have a debate at is 12. He falls more in the 13-15 range if you rank up all the QBs on a list. And personally about 15 sounds about right. Considering you're the QB guru around here and have shown to have exceptional skills when evaluating Qb's do you have Carr ranked ahead of your "eilte, can't miss, yellow jacket, generational talent" Tua? Give me a break spewing this trash and care to share where you have Carr ranked as a building block QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, BayRaider said: Carr is definitely not a Top 10 QB. Highest you can have a debate at is 12. He falls more in the 13-15 range if you rank up all the QBs on a list. And personally about 15 sounds about right. He's in that 2nd tier and the order in that tier will vary from year to year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BayRaider Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bitty 2.0 said: You should really stop making statements like Carr is a middle of the road QB and throw in I think. You mean the consensus opinion that Carr is ranked from 12-16...? Find me a non Raider fan that has Carr ranked Top 10 going into 2021. Heck, find me someone on this forum. Many of you don't live in reality and quite bias. Edited February 22, 2021 by BayRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 I'm so tired of being right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, BayRaider said: You mean the consensus opinion that Carr is ranked from 12-16...? Find me a non Raider fan that has Carr ranked Top 10 going into 2021. Heck, find me someone on this forum. Many of you don't live in reality and quite bias. I don't know PFF has Carr ranked 8th right now. Now find me 12-16 ranking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BayRaider said: You mean the consensus opinion that Carr is ranked from 12-16...? Find me a non Raider fan that has Carr ranked Top 10 going into 2021. Heck, find me someone on this forum. Many of you don't live in reality and quite bias. I think Carr is firmly within the upper middle class of QBs. Probably anywhere from 10-13. I think he's definitely better than Cousins, Ryan, Murray, and Mayfield right now. I would take him over Stafford. Elite 1. Mahomes 2. Rodgers 3. Wilson High-end 4. Watson 5. Allen 6. Tannehill 7. Herbert 8. Brady 9. Jackson Upper middle class QBs 10. Prescott 11. Carr 12. Stafford 13. Ryan 14. Cousins 15. Murray 16. Mayfield Middle class QBs 17. Roethlisberger 18. Burrow 19. Goff 20. Garoppolo Edited February 22, 2021 by Rich7sena 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: I think Carr is firmly within the upper middle class of QBs. Probably anywhere from 10-13. I think he's definitely better than Cousins, Ryan, Murray, and Mayfield right now. I would take him over Stafford. Elite 1. Mahomes 2. Rodgers 3. Wilson High-end 4. Watson 5. Allen 6. Tannehill 7. Herbert 8. Brady 9. Jackson Upper middle class QBs 10. Prescott 11. Carr 12. Stafford 13. Ryan 14. Cousins 15. Murray 16. Mayfield Middle class QBs 17. Roethlisberger 18. Burrow 19. Goff 20. Garoppolo Absolutely no chance Carr is better than Ryan or Stafford. And 98% of that thread had Carr outside the Top 10. Most of them, way outside. Ryan in Grudens scheme would be way more dominant than Carr. And watch Ryan tear up the league again now that bum Koetter is finally gone. Edited February 22, 2021 by BayRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said: I don't know PFF has Carr ranked 8th right now. Now find me 12-16 ranking. Don't know if that's true or not, but I believe that is their "Seasonal Grade". So he was their 8th best QB for the 2020 season only. (If what you say is even true). If you go by that logic, Mahomes isn't even a Top 4 QB in the NFL according to PFF. One season is Power Rankings, not Rankings. Edited February 22, 2021 by BayRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, BayRaider said: Absolutely no chance Carr is better than Ryan or Stafford. And 98% of that thread had Carr outside the Top 10. Most of them, way outside. Ryan in Grudens scheme would be way more dominant than Carr. And watch Ryan tear up the league again now that bum Koetter is finally gone. Well, it's nice that you think that. I know you have a lot riding on Carr's failure, but he's right up there with Stafford and Ryan--the numbers and film over the last two seasons bear that out. Also, I believe your question was: "Find me a non Raider fan that has Carr ranked Top 10 going into 2021. Heck, find me someone on this forum." I believe that thread has a couple posters with Carr in the top 10. The reality is, Carr has been playing outside his "comfort zone" in Gruden's offense and has thrived. Funny you think Ryan will play well in a scheme that suits him but don't give Carr credit for playing well in a scheme that doesn't. When most thought Carr would get eaten alive by the complexity of Gruden's scheme and the abrasiveness of Gruden's personality, he has instead elevated himself into a good to very good starting NFL quarterback. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, BayRaider said: Don't know if that's true or not, but I believe that is their "Seasonal Grade". So he was their 8th best QB for the 2020 season only. (If what you say is even true). He had a similar grade and ranking in 2019. Quote Derek Carr has been getting a lot of slander about his on-field performance in 2019, but it wasn’t nearly as bad as what some might think. His 81.2 passing grade was the ninth best and was reminiscent of his 2015 and 2016 seasons when he had the sixth-best two-year PFF grade among quarterbacks. It took him a couple of years to get back to that form from his broken fibula suffered at the end of 2016, but Carr has proven he is every bit of a top-12 quarterback in the NFL. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-every-nfl-teams-quarterback-situation-by-need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BayRaider Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, oakdb36 said: He's in that 2nd tier and the order in that tier will vary from year to year. No he's not. Second tier is Brady, Allen, Tannehil, Jackson, Ryan, and arguably Prescott (wouldn't have an issue with Prescott in the third tier). Carr is in the tier of Stafford, Cousins, Mayfield, Herbert (hard to evaluate due to one year, could easily be in the Second Tier instead of Third), and Murray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Don't worry, out of this thread another few weeks. Made one comment and 87 replies to it. People still think Carr is the savior... I will admit, he is good value for his contract. However, if that goes out the window and he gets 33M+ a year, that argument is dead and gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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