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Jets: Build around Darnold, or draft a QB?


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5 hours ago, Nzd07 said:

I like the idea of building talent around a veteran QB. Sort of like what the Colts did.

Rivers 2020 season is one the most overrated things on this board. If they had a better QB that team is 13-3 #1 seed. Colts are stacked. Rivers has been above-average, but still has massive limitations with his arm, which has looked shot for two seasons now. 

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Trade him. Let him be someone elses reclamation project. Certainly don't accept his 5th year option. I don't think he's good.

If you can't trade him and/or don't like the other QB's at #2, draft Sewell, and likely bottom out again with Darnold, and draft someone in 2022.

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Use your draft capital on offense and give the guy a chance. Completely neglect the defense. If Darnold lights it up, good, you have your QB and the offensive side set. If he is mediocre or bad you'll pick whatever QB you like in '21, this time with enough ammo around not to ruin him.

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Draft a QB.

In sales/marketing its generally more difficult to rebrand from a bad image than to establish a brand because you’re both branding AND trying to get people to forget about the transgressions of your past.

Sam Darnold is a rebrand. Sure he could go elsewhere as a reclamation project and perhaps have success in a Ryan Tannehill manner, but just as likely he could go another place and be another Sam Bradford or Josh Rosen... where he fails to display potential because he’s picked up bad habits that make him appear less capable. You now have to spend time fixing said habits, while simultaneously getting him to establish the habits you want him to pick up. That’s far more work than just grabbing a younger talent that hasn’t experienced the same traumas in their development.

A team that finds themselves, like the Titans were prior to Tannehill or like the Raiders currently are with Mariota... that mediocre range where they’re too good to have another shot at drafting a franchise QB, but too bad because they’re without a franchise QB. Those squads are in the position to be far more patient. If the reclamation project fails, the worst that happens is they become a bad team that can be in position for a true franchise QB prospect. But if it works, it drastically increases the quality of the team’s results while committing minimal monetary and draft resources towards such a player.

Whereas for the Jets, keeping Darnold would mean committing another 1 year towards his redevelopment... and if successful, having to immediately pay him significant QB dollars. That sounds like a terrible investment strategy. Far better to hope for a successful development with a younger QB that you can keep on a rookie deal for a few years before having to commit major money to him; that’s a far better investment strategy.

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IMO, if they aren’t in love with a quarterback, they hope someone else is, and they trade back for a ton of ammunition like the Browns and Dolphins have done. They build up the roster, and then they use Darnold as a 1-2 year answer as a stopgap. If he progresses, great, but if not, your roster is overhauled in the meantime and setup for your actual franchise guy in a couple of years.

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1. Go after Stafford

2. Try to trade Darnold, if not, he can stay on the cheap as a backup/developing QB1, and then you do the unthinkable for that franchise for once...

3. Go Offense-Heavy in the draft/free agency.  It’s crazy, I know, but the days of relying purely on the defense and a run game based around re-tread RBs isn’t working.
 

Untie those purse strings and act like you want to compete for once.  
 

 

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22 hours ago, jrry32 said:

There are a couple major distinguishing factors. First, the Rams had no first round pick. If they did have their #5 overall pick, for all we know, maybe Mahomes or Watson is starting for them right now. Second, Goff had only started 7 games at that point. Darnold will end the year with 38 starts. 

A few other major distinguishing factors:

Sean McVay vs. Adam Gase

Todd Gurley vs. Leveon Bell/Frank Gore

Brandin Cooks/Robert Woods/Cooper Kupp vs. ???

I feel pretty comfortable saying Sam Darnold would look a hell of a lot better in that situation considering he had a far better rookie season with less talent around him.

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2 minutes ago, Bullet Club said:

A few other major distinguishing factors:

Sean McVay vs. Adam Gase

Todd Gurley vs. Leveon Bell/Frank Gore

Brandin Cooks/Robert Woods/Cooper Kupp vs. ???

I feel pretty comfortable saying Sam Darnold would look a hell of a lot better in that situation considering he had a far better rookie season with less talent around him.

You might want to read the conversation. It's pretty clear by your comparison that you don't know what we were discussing (because trying to compare the current Jets to the 2018 Rams makes no sense in the context of that conversation).

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1 minute ago, jrry32 said:

You might want to read the conversation. It's pretty clear by your comparison that you don't know what we were discussing (because trying to compare the current Jets to the 2018 Rams makes no sense in the context of that conversation).

I'm specifically referring to your 7 starts to 38 starts comparison.

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