skibrett15 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Just now, incognito_man said: It wouldn't be surprising to see MLF hire his own guy. He inherited Drayton - but his commitment to him in-season speaks loudly to his belief that the issues are not resolvable by getting rid of Drayton. He has no inherent loyalty to him. I just chalk it up to MLF doesn't really understand the coaching around STs, he's a young inexperienced coach who understands offense and understands defense by proxy, and he needs outside help on STs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximusGluteus Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 To be fair, MLF did initially try to get Darren Rizzi and that somehow fell through, and for whatever reason he now seems to constantly be looking for a diamond in a benjo ditch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, incognito_man said: It wouldn't be surprising to see MLF hire his own guy. He inherited Drayton - but his commitment to him in-season speaks loudly to his belief that the issues are not resolvable by getting rid of Drayton. He has no inherent loyalty to him. LaFleur inherited Drayton, but kept him on as AST, and then when he fired the guy from last year, he hired Drayton. So he's handpicked by LaFleur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: I just chalk it up to MLF doesn't really understand the coaching around STs, he's a young inexperienced coach who understands offense and understands defense by proxy, and he needs outside help on STs. I'll chalk it up to LaFleur probably knows what he's doing and we don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 hours ago, MaximusGluteus said: To be fair, MLF did initially try to get Darren Rizzi and that somehow fell through, and for whatever reason he now seems to constantly be looking for a diamond in a benjo ditch. Packer higher ups didn't want to pay top dollar for him and he said screw you, I'm going somewhere else. Blows my mind in this day and age that the Packers got "tight" with their money and didn't hire Rizzi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tperk Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 29 minutes ago, coachbuns said: Packer higher ups didn't want to pay top dollar for him and he said screw you, I'm going somewhere else. Blows my mind in this day and age that the Packers got "tight" with their money and didn't hire Rizzi. I heard that Rizzi wanted to stay somewhere warm with his family, and GB isn't exactly the warmest place during the course of an NFL season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemike778 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 hours ago, incognito_man said: The only reason to fire him is if he's doing something inadequately himself. MLF seems to strongly believe that it's not the coach's fault. Some posters here also recognize there's more to it than that. None of us REALLY know, and the best info we have is that MLF hasn't fired him - and he's earned our trust in making staffing decisions. So that leads me to believe it's more of a personnel issue than a coaching issue. If it was a couple of things then I would agree. If the returner or coverage unit was blowing up then yes, maybe its personnel not coaching. But its everything. Unreliable kicker Duff holder Bad long snapper Bad field goal blocking Truly awful coverage unit Bad kick returner Bad punt returner Bad field goal blocking Even the punter has now started having the odd duff punt Can't even recover onside kick Everything stinks. Everyone - find it impossible to believe that the entire ST personnel group is useless. Its unprecedented. Teams usually use the bottom of the roster to play ST so it can't be that hard to find guys to slot into ST positions to at least mediocre standards. Would need to be a crazy co-incidence that we hit upon a year when the entire bottom of the roster are all garbage at ST which co-incides with a Crosby slump as well. I do get your logic but surely it must be coaching. Given that changing the LS mid-season has screwed the kicking unit maybe he is reluctant to change mid year although is it feasible to get worse. Anyway I'm on board with not playing ST now. Go for it 4th down every time. Kick it out of bounds. If I'm playing against GB, I would be trying onside kicks against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, mikemike778 said: If it was a couple of things then I would agree. If the returner or coverage unit was blowing up then yes, maybe its personnel not coaching. But its everything. Unreliable kicker Duff holder Bad long snapper Bad field goal blocking Truly awful coverage unit Bad kick returner Bad punt returner Bad field goal blocking Even the punter has now started having the odd duff punt Can't even recover onside kick Everything stinks. Everyone - find it impossible to believe that the entire ST personnel group is useless. Its unprecedented. Teams usually use the bottom of the roster to play ST so it can't be that hard to find guys to slot into ST positions to at least mediocre standards. Would need to be a crazy co-incidence that we hit upon a year when the entire bottom of the roster are all garbage at ST which co-incides with a Crosby slump as well. I do get your logic but surely it must be coaching. Given that changing the LS mid-season has screwed the kicking unit maybe he is reluctant to change mid year although is it feasible to get worse. Anyway I'm on board with not playing ST now. Go for it 4th down every time. Kick it out of bounds. If I'm playing against GB, I would be trying onside kicks against us. It seems EXTREMELY plausible to me that: An "average" kicker when paired with a rotating cast of awful to mediocre holders and long-snappers is going to result in a "bad" FG kicking unit. A team that is missing it's top 3 OL is then going to be fielding PS-level protection (and DL) on kick units as well. This has lead to breakdowns in protection. Malik Taylor is just bad, and there's no coaching that can overcome him pushing a KO out of bounds at the 5yd line. Amari Stoudemire is not very good A roster overall challenged by injuries that was already barren of ST players is going to manifest itself It looks like a roster that already had bad ST players is affected most by additional injuries. I don't think Drayton is a great coach, but our ST personnel is pretty schitty Edited December 16, 2021 by incognito_man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Footage from special teams practice in Gb …. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, Tperk said: I heard that Rizzi wanted to stay somewhere warm with his family, and GB isn't exactly the warmest place during the course of an NFL season. Money talks .. he could vacation/be warm elsewhere in the off season. Would have been well worth the $$ spent hiring him versus what we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebpackfan Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 34 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Amari Cooper is not very good Wow, our ST are so bad, everyone in the league is to blame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, mikebpackfan said: Wow, our ST are so bad, everyone in the league is to blame. lol, whoops fixed it Edited December 16, 2021 by incognito_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 55 minutes ago, incognito_man said: It seems EXTREMELY plausible to me that: An "average" kicker when paired with a rotating cast of awful to mediocre holders and long-snappers is going to result in a "bad" FG kicking unit. A team that is missing it's top 3 OL is then going to be fielding PS-level protection (and DL) on kick units as well. This has lead to breakdowns in protection. Malik Taylor is just bad, and there's no coaching that can overcome him pushing a KO out of bounds at the 5yd line. Amari Stoudemire is not very good A roster overall challenged by injuries that was already barren of ST players is going to manifest itself It looks like a roster that already had bad ST players is affected most by additional injuries. I don't think Drayton is a great coach, but our ST personnel is pretty schitty Amari Stoudemire does not appreciate being dragged into this conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Green19 said: Footage from special teams practice in Gb …. Really. I got an exclusive clip from MLFs coaching strategy with the ST unit. Edited December 16, 2021 by Spartacus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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