MrOaktown_56 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 23 minutes ago, Dessie said: Where does Ferrell fit in ? Lots in here thought he was a fit for moving from 5T to 3T on passing downs? He can rush inside and outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: He can rush inside and outside. I meant how he is going to get snaps inside if we have Jefferson, Hurst, Thomas. If he’s rushing outside that means Crosby isn’t and he’s been a better pass rusher than Ferrell to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 On 3/19/2021 at 10:47 AM, big_palooka said: All for depth on the Dline, but would much rather seen a quality starter at 3T added you can go into the season feeling good about. Current state at 3tech is all hope that a player can rebound (Irving) or break out (Thomas, Hurst). True, true. But, with the number of players with obvious potential we've brought on board we hedge our bets to a degree I feel. Odds that they all can be starters is very low but the odds that one of Irving, Hurst, Thomas, Jefferson can be more than a rotation piece I think are reasonable. Vickers flashed in patches last year too so it would be remiss to not mention him as well. If I'd bet on one it would be Thomas after loving his 'tape' as a DT when he was drafted. Maybe none actually play at a starter level which is why we should also draft at least one DT, and one in the first couple rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Darbsk said: True, true. But, with the number of players with obvious potential we've brought on board we hedge our bets to a degree I feel. Odds that they all can be starters is very low but the odds that one of Irving, Hurst, Thomas, Jefferson can be more than a rotation piece I think are reasonable. Vickers flashed in patches last year too so it would be remiss to not mention him as well. If I'd bet on one it would be Thomas after loving his 'tape' as a DT when he was drafted. Maybe none actually play at a starter level which is why we should also draft at least one DT, and one in the first couple rounds. Yeah a lot of question marks for us at DT. Irving and Thomas both have potential to be impact players, imo, but it's a stretch. If Barmore drops to #48 I'd love to add him there. Levi Onwuzurike at #48 would also be a nice pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGlove Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Dessie said: I meant how he is going to get snaps inside if we have Jefferson, Hurst, Thomas. If he’s rushing outside that means Crosby isn’t and he’s been a better pass rusher than Ferrell to this point. On early downs in the scheme you have a Ferell as the base end. One of Yannick or Crosby at LEO. Passing downs you get both Crosby and Yannick on. Ferrell adds to the inside options we have. Crosby and Ngakoue are better pass rushers then Ferrell but they are bad against the run. Ngakoue is actually really bad against it. If you start them both teams won't have to pass the ball and then it completely nullifies their strengths as pass rushers. Get Ferrell on, force them to throw it and thats when you see Ngakoue and Crosby eat. Having a nice rotation to keep them all healthy and rested too is going to help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGlove Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 38 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Yeah a lot of question marks for us at DT. Irving and Thomas both have potential to be impact players, imo, but it's a stretch. If Barmore drops to #48 I'd love to add him there. Levi Onwuzurike at #48 would also be a nice pick. Are them anymore talented then what we have or any less of a question mark? I think we're had that many DTs come in so we don't have to go 3tec in the draft. We can have that gamble in FA save the early picks for other positions. If none of them works out its a 2022 draft problem and hopefully its a better class for it. Let's be honest it's probably the weakest part of this draft defensively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, OnlyGlove said: Are them anymore talented then what we have or any less of a question mark? I think we're had that many DTs come in so we don't have to go 3tec in the draft. We can have that gamble in FA save the early picks for other positions. If none of them works out its a 2022 draft problem and hopefully its a better class for it. Let's be honest it's probably the weakest part of this draft defensively I think Levi and Barmore are both good players, just not worth 1st round picks. At #48 I'd be happy with either guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 4 hours ago, OnlyGlove said: On early downs in the scheme you have a Ferell as the base end. One of Yannick or Crosby at LEO. Passing downs you get both Crosby and Yannick on. Ferrell adds to the inside options we have. Crosby and Ngakoue are better pass rushers then Ferrell but they are bad against the run. Ngakoue is actually really bad against it. If you start them both teams won't have to pass the ball and then it completely nullifies their strengths as pass rushers. Get Ferrell on, force them to throw it and thats when you see Ngakoue and Crosby eat. Having a nice rotation to keep them all healthy and rested too is going to help. I forgot about Irving. If Ferrell isn’t going to play edge on passing downs he isn’t going to get many snaps is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Dessie said: I forgot about Irving. If Ferrell isn’t going to play edge on passing downs he isn’t going to get many snaps is he? We could have a super heavy inside rotation, which could be good, since we will have fresh rusher everytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 8 hours ago, NYRaider said: Yeah a lot of question marks for us at DT. Irving and Thomas both have potential to be impact players, imo, but it's a stretch. If Barmore drops to #48 I'd love to add him there. Levi Onwuzurike at #48 would also be a nice pick. Yeh, there's no certainty there for sure but I like that we have 2 or 3 horses in the race which gives us more chances. Hopefully one can be the great resurrection project we'd all love. Agree with Barmore and Levi O as guys I'd really like to add and I'd add in Nixon too at that spot, I do expect Levi O and Barmore to go end of 1st though if I'm pessimistic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roninho Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Best case scenario all guys step up, but likely one or 2 of the question marks will flop, reducing the amount of rotation. And dont forget injuries. We'll get a few during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 20 hours ago, Dessie said: I meant how he is going to get snaps inside if we have Jefferson, Hurst, Thomas. If he’s rushing outside that means Crosby isn’t and he’s been a better pass rusher than Ferrell to this point. Inside we have 2 rushers on every down. Plus Crosby and Ngakoue aren't playing every 3rd down. Ferrell will play a lot of snaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 23 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Inside we have 2 rushers on every down. Plus Crosby and Ngakoue aren't playing every 3rd down. Ferrell will play a lot of snaps. Did Ferrell play well at DT last season>? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnobili Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) wasn't ferrell legitimately anemic when he slid into DT in either of the last 2 years? that they've tried to play him there and he failed doesnt suddenly make him versatile lol. they tried him there mostly as a rookie because he was ineffective rushing from the edge and they tried something new. didnt work. he improved from the edge in year 2, but he certainly doesnt have the look of a passrusher worthy of having gone top 5 Edited March 21, 2021 by Turnobili Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Did Ferrell play well at DT last season>? He played mainly outside and did it well last year. He had some effective stunts from inside, but its mainly a projection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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