jsthomp2007 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, paul-mac said: One guy Allbright linked to us is Rhamondre Stevenson, RB from Oklahoma. He’d be a good pick in round 4 or 5 imo. Too many sill-ahbles in his name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutler06 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 So, is this all on the FO/coaching staff or did Elway have some influence here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBruin Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, Cutler06 said: So, is this all on the FO/coaching staff or did Elway have some influence here ? Sounds like he had some influence in blabbing to every media person in sight about the Rodgers deal. Dave Logan all but said so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomaxgrUK Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 When was the last time an interior DL didn't go in the 1st round? Must be a long time ago surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutler06 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 What kills me is Patyon could've gotten the Franchise QB without trading any other assets for him, fell right into his lap and he whiffed. His first draft as a GM and one he'll regret for years to come. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan_101 Posted April 30, 2021 Author Share Posted April 30, 2021 We had an 8ish-year prime of one of the top 5 corners of all-time, and we won two playoff games in that span. I’m sure Surtain will be a good player, but even if he’s a Hall of Famer, he doesn’t move the needle nearly as much as a borderline top 10 QB would. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 44 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said: Sounds like he had some influence in blabbing to every media person in sight about the Rodgers deal. Dave Logan all but said so. You think Elway was Scherleth's source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, broncosfan_101 said: We had an 8ish-year prime of one of the top 5 corners of all-time, and we won two playoff games in that span. I’m sure Surtain will be a good player, but even if he’s a Hall of Famer, he doesn’t move the needle nearly as much as a borderline top 10 QB would. And that's exactly the point. And I like Surtain, a lot, as a prospect and CB is a premium position. Now, I'm a bigger fan of Drew than most here, and I have been fine since last year ended giving him another year, with a full off-season, a season of experience in Shurmur's offense and the growth and hopefully development of the young weapons. The problem is I don't trust Vic to make Drew the starter now that we have the safe but unspectacular Teddy B. Fields was in the discussion for the top pick, even if odds were much stronger for Lawrence, why he fell I don't know. But, as a Bears fan (my family is originally from the Chicago area), I'm much more excited for their season next year than for ours. Edited April 30, 2021 by AnAngryAmerican 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBruin Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, AnAngryAmerican said: You think Elway was Scherleth's source? Can't say it was Elway without a doubt, but I believe he was. I'm 100% sure he was Dave Logan's source though. Edited April 30, 2021 by BroncoBruin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 37 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said: Can't say it was Elway without a doubt, but I believe he was. I'm 100% sure he was Dave Logan's source though. I didn't know Logan reported it. But it doesn't surprise me, he has a long-term relationship with Elway. I don't list to KOA since it's like 45 minutes of commercials and sponsor reads per 60 minutes of airtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBruin Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, AnAngryAmerican said: I didn't know Logan reported it. But it doesn't surprise me, he has a long-term relationship with Elway. I don't list to KOA since it's like 45 minutes of commercials and sponsor reads per 60 minutes of airtime. It sounds like they were reeeeally confident at that stage. He said his source was “someone so well-connected that even a casual fan would know who it is”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, germ-x said: Surtain is a damn good player. No doubt. Fully worthy of that pick at #9. I’ve read many who had him as a better prospect coming out of Alabama than Marlon Humphrey and Humphrey’s made 2 pro bowls and been named an all-pro. Surtain is also a high character guy, which has been a strong push for this franchise over the last few drafts. If Justin Fields had been off the board no one would be complaining about this pick. Yeah, let's not confuse Surtain the player from the choice Paton had. If Paton knows he's getting A-Rod (or Watson/Wilson, but that ship's sailed on Watson until there's resolution, and Wilson can't be known) - sure, take Surtain. If this part of continuing the GB discussions down the line, sure, take Surtain. Barring that, though - either you take Fields, or you take the package Chicago (or NO if they paid substantially more) - because that likely secures your QBOTF. This was just the safest, win-now, make-Fangio-happy move of the 3. And it doesn't really solve the issue of getting a top-5 ceiling guy to match up with Mahomes/Herbert (unless it's part of ongoing talks with GB where they'd want Surtain over Stokes, and obviously more added in on our end). Nothing about Surtain is in question being a bad pick in a vacuum. But the pick wasn't in a vacuum, there were 2 other alternatives - take Fields, or trade back and get at least 1 2022 1st round pick added, if not more (NO). The 2 other alternatives presented the real opportunity to finally address QBOTF, and a high-ceiling one, in a massive way. And those were passed. Surtain could be a Pro-Bowl caliber CB for much of his career - but if Fields works out, or the established great QB's get moved elsewhere and succeed - it's going to be seen a failure GM-wise. Edited April 30, 2021 by Broncofan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said: It sounds like they were reeeeally confident at that stage. He said his source was “someone so well-connected that even a casual fan would know who it is”. Yeah that's gotta be Elway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizmo78 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Broncofan said: Yeah, let's not confuse Surtain the player from the choice Paton had. If Paton knows he's getting A-Rod (or Watson/Wilson, but that ship's sailed on Watson until there's resolution, and Wilson can't be known) - sure, take Surtain. If this part of continuing the GB discussions down the line, sure, take Surtain. Barring that, though - either you take Fields, or you take the package Chicago (or NO if they paid substantially more) - because that likely secures your QBOTF. This was just the safest, win-now, make-Fangio-happy move of the 3. And it doesn't really solve the issue of getting a top-5 ceiling guy to match up with Mahomes/Herbert (unless it's part of ongoing talks with GB where they'd want Surtain over Stokes, and obviously more added in on our end). Nothing about Surtain is in question being a bad pick in a vacuum. But the pick wasn't in a vacuum, there were 2 other alternatives - take Fields, or trade back and get at least 1 2022 1st round pick added, if not more (NO). The 2 other alternatives presented the real opportunity to finally address QBOTF, and a high-ceiling one, in a massive way. And those were passed. Surtain could be a Pro-Bowl caliber CB for much of his career - but if Fields works out, or the established great QB's get moved elsewhere and succeed - it's going to be seen a failure GM-wise. Perfectly stated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, Broncofan said: Yeah, let's not confuse Surtain the player from the choice Paton had. If Paton knows he's getting A-Rod (or Watson/Wilson, but that ship's sailed on Watson until there's resolution, and Wilson can't be known) - sure, take Surtain. If this part of continuing the GB discussions down the line, sure, take Surtain. Barring that, though - either you take Fields, or you take the package Chicago (or NO if they paid substantially more) - because that likely secures your QBOTF. This was just the safest, win-now, make-Fangio-happy move of the 3. And it doesn't really solve the issue of getting a top-5 ceiling guy to match up with Mahomes/Herbert. Nothing about Surtain is in question being a bad pick in a vacuum. But the pick wasn't in a vacuum, there were 2 other alternatives - take Fields, or trade back and get at least 1 2022 1st round pick added, if not more (NO). The 2 other alternatives presented the real opportunity to finally address QBOTF, and a high-ceiling one, in a massive way. And those were passed. Surtain could be a Pro-Bowl caliber CB for much of his career - but if Fields works out, or the established great QB's get moved elsewhere and succeed - it's going to be seen a failure GM-wise. One thing about accepting the trade is it would have likely netted an extra first round pick that could be used in a potential Rodgers deal a month from now. That's why not trading down could potentially be an even bigger fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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