soflbillsfan Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, Dr A W Niloc said: Mac Jones is not the first Patriot QB who wasn't a mesomorph. FWIW, his lack of "elite physical tools" didn't prevent him from dominating in college. We agree that New England has the wrong kind of WRs for a seam-ripper QB. Even Bill Belichick can only fix so much in one year. A good coach would help but a GM of Baalke's ilk will always be a bottleneck, starting with the selection of said coach. He's not much of a threat to run but he has been evasive in the pocket. In college his pressure-sack percentage was 12.3%, second only to Kellen Mond (8.6%) in the 2021 QB draft class. Not a fan of pulling out college stats. He was literally given the best talent across the board in college being able to beat inferior competition means nothing. Qbs prior to him dominated and after he left, the University just dominates the entire NCAA with the amount of recruiting that Saban has done and is able to put that on the field vs inferior talent. the NFL is the best of the best compared to college in which majority go on to do something else with their lives. He had top olineman who have been drafted 1st rd. He had wr weapons being drafted 1st rd, rb drafted 1st round. Mac will be on the same level as guys like Ryan Tannehill. Its not a bad thing but in no way is he going to do what Burrow, Allen, Mahomes, Herbert can do. He is a high percentage short yard passer who will count on the run game and defense for help while doing the dink and dunk underneath to his rb, and te with very few shots down the field. As for Lawrence he has weak weapons, oline, and just a flat out awful decision for coaching staff. The owner swung for the fences looking outside the box thinking Urban can be the offensive guru that Lawrence needed and he just wasnt it. Lawrence should progress to the level of guys like Herbert and Burrow in year 2 once the Jags find a competent GM and HC, which is still unknown. Also will help when he actually has weapons and an oline to protect him. If khan can get out of his own way and find a competent GM/HC combo Lawrence can be the guy everyone expected him to be when coming out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 hours ago, NYRaider said: The only reason that people thought Darnold would bounce back was because of Ryan Tannehill. The Panthers offensive line was terrible, Joe Brady was fired midseason, and they were without McCaffery for basically the entire season. Are DJ Moore and Robby Anderson elite weapons? You don’t need Elite weapons to be or at least show you have the capacity to be great. You can surly avoid turnovers and be accurate without help around you. Ryan Tannehill was injured in Miami, people never account for that along with Smith running a QB friendly system where Gase’s has more a mental strain with all the checks and option routes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 4 hours ago, LinderFournette said: Any qb would look bad with the talent we have at the skill positions I’m not concerned with that. We know it’s hard to produce but timing, accuracy, ball placement, eyes, footwork, avoiding turnovers, etc…can all still be judged. I see Lawrence making a nice jump next year, this was easily the worst situation he’s ever been in playing football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: You don’t need Elite weapons to be or at least show you have the capacity to be great. You can surly avoid turnovers and be accurate without help around you. Ryan Tannehill was injured in Miami, people never account for that along with Smith running a QB friendly system where Gase’s has more a mental strain with all the checks and option routes. The reason that people thought Darnold would bounce back was because Tannehill had done it after leaving Gase when he landed with a good offensive coordinator. Everyone thought Joe Brady was the next great offensive guru and he was fired midseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, soflbillsfan said: He is a high percentage short yard passer who will count on the run game and defense for help while doing the dink and dunk underneath to his rb, and te with very few shots down the field. That is what he has been as a Patriot. It wasn't what he was in college (N.B.: #1 in deep yards, 2nd in Pass Yards/Attempt, etc.) and it likely won't be his role as the Patriot QB next year. Past. Present. Future. As one pundit quipped: "He has a very limited skill set. All he does is win." Quote If khan can get out of his own way ...which we all know he can't... Quote and find a competent GM/HC combo... ...which we all know he can't... Quote ...Lawrence can be the guy everyone expected him to be when coming out. We'll never know. Until he leaves Jacksonville, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jraider91 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) On 1/6/2022 at 2:09 AM, Apparition said: "I don't watch film but I have strong opinions" He is asked to do very little, but has done that limited role well. He is middle of the pack in DYAR (12th but is as close to 16th as 11th). Edited January 7, 2022 by Jraider91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 9 hours ago, NYRaider said: The reason that people thought Darnold would bounce back was because Tannehill had done it after leaving Gase when he landed with a good offensive coordinator. Everyone thought Joe Brady was the next great offensive guru and he was fired midseason. Don't forget, Darnold had "all the tools" too- the biggest crutch offered to justify bad QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 19 hours ago, NYRaider said: The reason that people thought Darnold would bounce back was because Tannehill had done it after leaving Gase when he landed with a good offensive coordinator. Everyone thought Joe Brady was the next great offensive guru and he was fired midseason. The fact that Darnold, statistically, is so much worse here than he was with the Jets is a very telling indictment on our coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSlim Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Wow, they truly are entertaining BOB for head coach. I actually don’t think BOB is a “bad” coach but potentially having Baalke and O’Brien….yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 BOB would bring JAX to the playoffs if if if the Jags can draft some good players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Take the GM stuff out of BOB resume and just look at his as a coach and he’s a good coach. Allow him to make GM decisions and things start to get ugly. Jags could def do a lot worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 52 minutes ago, iknowcool said: The fact that Darnold, statistically, is so much worse here than he was with the Jets is a very telling indictment on our coaching staff. Careful, or you're gonna help Adam Gase land another job.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, TitanSlim said: Wow, they truly are entertaining BOB for head coach. I actually don’t think BOB is a “bad” coach but potentially having Baalke and O’Brien….yikes. @ET80...... How bad could that get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 As I said, BOB the coach I wouldn’t mind. But I have zero idea how someone who’s so stubborn like BOB would work well with someone like Baalke. If Baalke was shown the door and they hired BOB with a new GM (and BOB didn’t have personnel control), he’d be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: Take the GM stuff out of BOB resume and just look at his as a coach and he’s a good coach. Allow him to make GM decisions and things start to get ugly. Jags could def do a lot worse Incorrect. BoB feasted on a bad division, he'd go 6-0 in division and 3-7 out of division. As soon as Tennessee/Indianapolis brought in more competent coaching and players, BoB started to lose. BoB is the Urban Meyer of NFL HCs - overwhelmed inferior talent by relying on guys playing at a HoF level. It's not hard to go 9-7 against two 3-13 quality teams and a Colts team without Andrew Luck, while JJ Watt, Deshaun Watson and DeAndre Hopkins played at All Pro levels. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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