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ronjon1990

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4 hours ago, VanS said:

Its rare for a rookie RB to be as dominant as Alvin Kamara has been early on and to flop later in his career without suffering a serious injury.  We see it more with QBs.  But never really when it comes to RBs.

 Not saying Kamara hasn't been really good so far, but the Saints entire offense has been clicking. 

He has 131 touches, 1094 yds, and 9 tds. Pretty good. And he's getting better. 

Just saying, it's a little early to project Kamara as the next big thing (just as it is asinine for people to call McCaffery a bust). 

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WeaponX

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Right now and for the past decade, Tennessee has been a worse job than:

  • Georgia
  • Florida
  • Auburn
  • Alabama
  • LSU
  • Texas A&M
  • Clemson
  • Florida State
  • Miami
  • Oklahoma
  • Texas
  • Ohio State
  • Penn State
  • Michigan
  • Michigan State
  • Wisconsin
  • Notre Dame
  • Stanford
  • Washington
  • Oregon
  • USC
  • UCLA

And maybe even a few more in the past and certainly much more now that their administration has absolutely botched this hiring process.

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ronjon1990

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4 hours ago, VanS said:

All good facts.  Now let me explain why none of that matters today when it comes to Tennessee future outlook.

Before 2001, a school like LSU was irrelevant.  Then from 2001 on they were one of the 5 best programs in the country.  How come?  Because before Saban got there, the top athletes in the state of Louisiana (which has always been overflowing with talent) left the state and played for other school.  Great players like Ed Reed would routinely leave the state to play for out of state schools like Miami.  There wasn't a sense of loyalty to the state school by the instate recruits because to them LSU was never good.  Saban changed that and ever since Louisiana kids have overwhelmingly went to LSU and its a major reason why they have been a power in college football for the last 16 years.

In today's college football, a great instate recruiting base is critical to having success on the field.  Tennessee fell on hard times after 2001 for many reasons but the most prominent was the lack of a great instate recruiting base in an era where instate talent became more important.  Before the proliferation of cable TV channels in the last 20 years that broadcast almost every college football game live, there used to be only a few programs that were on TV that people all across the nation could watch.  Those programs included the likes of Tennessee and Nebraska.  Its one of the main reasons those programs were so success in the 1990s and earlier.  Back then schools like Tennessee and Nebraska that lacked elite instate talent could still attract star athletes from across the nation to come play for them halfway across the country because those players wanted to play on national TV.  Now everyone is on national TV so that is no longer a major advantage in recruiting.  Parents would rather have their kids playing close to home so they can see them live during home games and on road games, since every game is televised, they can see them on TV.  In the past that wasn't the case.  If you wanted to watch your kid play every week, they had to be at one of those premier big name programs that was always on TV.  And it was that advantage that helped Nebraska and Tennessee.  Now that advantage no longer exists thus instate talent has now become the biggest differentiator.  And that is why a school like Nebraska still struggles right now to attract quality athletes.  And its an area that hurt Tennessee for much of the last 15 years.

However, this isn't the case anymore.  Tennessee is no longer a talent poor state when it comes to instate talent.  Thanks to a population boom in the Nashville metropolitan area, Tennessee is now producing talent at an elite level.  Its at the same level as Louisiana right now.  And that is impressive considering how Louisiana is praised for being such a talent rich state when it comes to players.  Now the Tennessee kids are not as loyal as the Louisiana kids to the instate school right now.  Last year Tennessee lost 2 5-star players to Clemson and LSU.  This year they risk losing another 5-star recruit from Knoxville who is the son of a former Tennessee football player to Clemson or Georgia.  All Tennessee needs to become a dominant program like LSU of the early to mid-2000s is the right coach who is gonna keep most of the instate talent home like Saban was able to do at LSU.  If a coach can keep the instate talent at Tennessee rather than seeing them going to Clemson, LSU, or Alabama, then Tennessee can reach those heights as a program that it enjoyed in the past.

 

Your entire case has been based on Tennessee's past up to now bud....pick one already.

Using fluid projections (since rankings change all the time) is reaching. Based on the last few classes (2013-2017) that have actually shown up on campuses and their rankings finalized, Tennessee is more on North Carolina and Pennsylvania's level, nowhere near Louisiana yet. Using that logic, Nevada should be way up there by 2027 when that 8 year old phenom QB gets offered. Not saying Tennessee is deplete of talent, but again, you are over selling. 

Tennessee has better recruiting than South Carolina, Michigan, Washington. They aren't nearly as good as Clemson, Michigan, Michigan St., UW, or even WSU. More relevant is that you act like Tennessee not keeping all of this talent in state is what is making or breaking the program. Tennessee's last 4 recruiting classes ranked 17th, 14th, 4th, and 7th. They aren't having that hard of a time putting together good classes. They can't get THAT much better. Bad coaching, bad Athletic Department to work for, impatient and fickle fan base, unreasonable expectations. That makes Tennessee a less attractive job than other similar programs. Why? Because why go there when you can avoid the bs and just go recruit Tennessee kids. Tennessee's problems run much deeper than recruiting or coaching. 

You keep referencing Nick Saban, as if he's the standard model on the lot. LSU took a guy who was actually fairly average in terms of success and they boomed. And he wound up being possibly the best coach college football has ever seen. That doesn't happen all the time and really it wouldn't be fair to use as a measuring stick. 

That is Tennessee's problem, again. They want a "Nick Saban" as he is now, not how he was when he left Michigan State for LSU. Tennessee's pride is getting in the way, whereas LSU admitted they were below average and built up. Tennessee constantly thinks it is a head coach away from a national championship, like they are a plug and play program. They aren't. 

 

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1 hour ago, Supersuavesky said:

Our issues didn't prevent us from winning at least 9 a season for over half a decade. Please don't bring us in to whatever this is.

I was gonna say...

Nebraska with its mediocre coaching and lack of consistent identity still managed to occasionally at least make a splash from time to time. Still not a top tier program anymore, but *shrug*.

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FOX Sport's Bruce Feldman also weighed in, writing on Twitter that:

"Have heard tonight that #Penn State OC Joe Moorhead is a strong candidate for the #MissState HC vacancy (as Dan Wolken's reported). Source says that #Bama DC Jeremy Pruitt, ##Toledo HC Jason Candle, #Michigan asst Pep Hamilton & #Miami DC Manny Diaz among those also in the mix."

 

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2017/11/penn_states_joe_moorhead_a_str.html

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