swede700 Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SemperFeist said: At this point there is no “better” option. You just live with the growing pains of a young, inexperienced player. Whether it’s Udoh or Davis, there’s going to be hiccups along the way. I tend to agree. Just let Udoh ride out the season to see if he can get better and then reassess it at that point. All I'm concerned about at this point is hopefully to no longer have to throw high picks at an OL just because you think it's a clear need. While they haven't been ideal, they've managed to get by, for the most part, with Bradbury and Udoh...now, if the best player on the board fills one of those positions, feel free to do it, but don't go chasing after it, like they did with Bradbury. It's basically what Studwell had said during his conversation with Leber on his podcast...that's the biggest mistakes he said the organization did in the draft when he was there...when they've drafted for need over the BPA (obviously, Ponder was example 1A). Edited November 29, 2021 by swede700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nozizaki Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Not sure Cole is the issue. I still think Davis is the natural fit at RG and is the long term answer at that position. Not sure if he'd play better than Udoh at this point, but the hope is he develops into a franchise O-Lineman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I wonder if we'll see Rose activated for this game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5 hours ago, swede700 said: I tend to agree. Just let Udoh ride out the season to see if he can get better and then reassess it at that point. All I'm concerned about at this point is hopefully to no longer have to throw high picks at an OL just because you think it's a clear need. While they haven't been ideal, they've managed to get by, for the most part, with Bradbury and Udoh...now, if the best player on the board fills one of those positions, feel free to do it, but don't go chasing after it, like they did with Bradbury. It's basically what Studwell had said during his conversation with Leber on his podcast...that's the biggest mistakes he said the organization did in the draft when he was there...when they've drafted for need over the BPA (obviously, Ponder was example 1A). Bradbury went about where projected. Calling him some chase is an exaggeration. He's just not worked out for whatever reason. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I think we stick with Cole with Bradbury as the main backup. Unless there are injuries, Wyatt Davis likely doesn't play this year. I'd imagine they'd move Bradbury, Brandel or Hill to RG first before they do it for Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 44 minutes ago, SteelKing728 said: I think we stick with Cole with Bradbury as the main backup. Unless there are injuries, Wyatt Davis likely doesn't play this year. I'd imagine they'd move Bradbury, Brandel or Hill to RG first before they do it for Davis. Bradbury isn’t a guard. Just don’t think he can anchor well enough, especially at RG. He’s a backup Center at this point with starting upside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 11 hours ago, PrplChilPill said: Bradbury went about where projected. Calling him some chase is an exaggeration. He's just not worked out for whatever reason. He went about where he was projected because of the dire need of the team, not necessarily if it had been a truly objective evaluation, so he was an easy pick for mock experts to make. However, it isn't generally likely that teams take centers in the top 20. It's been more of a recent phenomenon, as it's happened 4 times since 2015 (including Bradbury) and the results have been mixed at best, but prior to that, it had only happened twice in the previous 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 The Vikings are 2-0 this season without Dalvin Cook. Including the first game against Detroit. In 10 games without Cook, Kirk Cousins and the Vikings are 6-4. Cousins average stat line over those 10 games is 27 of 38, for 290 yards and 2 touchdowns with 1 interception. The team averages 29 points per game in their 6 wins, and averages 15 points per game in their 4 losses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Getting him, and possibly Tomlinson, back will be a huge boost to the defensive front. Eapecially with Watts, Lynch, and Richardson starting to play well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_K Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 On 11/29/2021 at 7:12 PM, PrplChilPill said: Bradbury went about where projected. Calling him some chase is an exaggeration. He's just not worked out for whatever reason. Bradbury's most valuable skill at draft time was his athletic ability (initial startoff quickness and acceleration speed, and ability to get out into the blocking pattern on sweeps and other downfield blocking plays). His low weight, smaller bulk, and upper body strength, leading to weaker anchoring (especially in pass blocking), was less of a problem in the college game (probably especially given his own team's emphasis on the run game). So, he graded higher overall than he would have in The NFL. Also, The NFL has more mature athletes playing DL, who have higher weight totals and more muscle mass, and run faster on average, because they are the cream of the crop of ex-college athletes, so a better anchor technique and more weight/bulk and muscle mass is required in The NFL, to be adequate to keep them away from the QB in The NFL. The Vikings, stressing the running game, and downfield blocking schemes valued body structures/configurations, and player traits and skills that would maximise those players' effectiveness in the downfield blocking schemes, to the detriment of their ability to anchor and impede opposing DT rushers from pushing their way towards their team's QB. Making that choice for a one-sided run-blocking specialist, rather than a well-rounded, heavy and strong enough center with a solid anchor, who would be less quick to get out in downfield blocking schemes, but still adequate in that skill, was a fatal error, given the increased athletic abilities of today's DTs above those of 10-20 years ago. Zimmer's trying to play 1990s football, and trying to draft players for THAT game, and having to draft for need, instead of BPA, has caused the recent lack of young talent in key positions for The Vikings. I'm all for not only getting rid of Zimmer after this season ends, but getting rid of Spielman, too. A team needs a GM and a head coach who work well together, and have the same vision for how their team will need to play on BOTH sides of the ball, is necessary to have sustained runs of winning seasons. The Vikings also need supporting coaches who teach players technique and their system. They haven't had effective development of offensive players since Zimmer took over. And their recent development of defensive players has fallen off over the past few years, from what it was during the first half of Zimmer's tenure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babababa Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, SemperFeist said: Getting him, and possibly Tomlinson, back will be a huge boost to the defensive front. Eapecially with Watts, Lynch, and Richardson starting to play well. Keep Richardson as a starting DE. He's playing great over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, babababa said: Keep Richardson as a starting DE. He's playing great over there. I don’t think we have any other choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 Vikings-Lions Chargers-Bengals Colts-Texans Eagles-Jets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_K Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 3 hours ago, babababa said: Keep Richardson as a starting DE. He's playing great over there. Good news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 I really like Armon Watts. Any chance he can become a long term starter for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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