Deadpulse Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: I just never really see him get a ton of credit for those rings/seasons he put together. They weren’t really what I would personally point to either when highlighting Brady’s greatness. Dude is the GOAT, can’t dispute it, but he’s a Hall of Fame player without even those accomplishments. I don't think the proper balance is struck for those seasons. Was he the world beater he became? No. He was still top 5 IMO. Very few guys in the league at that time I would take over him. Favre, Peyton.... thats it. You could argue Palmer, McNabb, Culpepper, and Trent Green but you'd be splitting hairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Deadpulse said: I don't think the proper balance is struck for those seasons. Was he the world beater he became? No. He was still top 5 IMO. Very few guys in the league at that time I would take over him. Favre, Peyton.... thats it. You could argue Palmer, McNabb, Culpepper, and Trent Green but you'd be splitting hairs. He’s was one of many at that point. It got to the point though where he was one of one. The gap between him and everyone else was just immense. I say this as a Jets fan btw, I’ve never seen anything better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I think 2014 is that pivot year. 2001-2014 is a GOAT career, and then 2014-present is a GOAT career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 hours ago, biggie. said: Why does this **** ONLY apply to Brady but NO one else? Whenever Peyton won he got all the credit, but when he lost it was everyone else's fault? Brady in 2001 inherited an 0-2 team that went 5-11 the year prior. They weren't exactly world beaters primed for a Super Bowl run. Peyton Manning is widely regarding as the greatest postseason choker in the history of the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, Malik said: Peyton Manning is widely regarding as the greatest postseason choker in the history of the NFL. Yes, but many will say "he didn't have Brady's defense". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, biggie. said: Yes, but many will say "he didn't have Brady's defense". This isn't 2009. No one uses that excuse anymore outside of the most hardcore Peyton fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Malik said: This isn't 2009. No one uses that excuse anymore outside of the most hardcore Peyton fans Brady still has plenty of haters that still cling to the defense, luck and "being at the right place at the right time" stigma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, biggie. said: Brady still has plenty of haters that still cling to the defense, luck and "being at the right place at the right time" stigma. Just because someone has an opinion does not mean its not a stupid opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 7 hours ago, KingOfNewYork said: He’s was one of many at that point. It got to the point though where he was one of one. The gap between him and everyone else was just immense. I say this as a Jets fan btw, I’ve never seen anything better. Full stop if he's not there they don't win that game vs the Panthers. He also was immensly important in 04 and clutch when he needed to be in 01. Honestly 18 is the one SB he probably should get the least credit for. Anyways Brady was considered the GOAT after beating Seattle in 2014. There were some people who still debated Montana, but he was largely the GOAT by that point. You could remove SB 51, the 2017 MVP, the steller 2015 and 2016 season, SB 53, SB55, and this MVP caliber league leading in yards and TD's year and he's still the GOAT which is pretty impressive. Also retroactively you could probably go in reverse and go from this year to the 2014 season and remove most everything before it (though he'd be lacking in MVP's with only one) and still largely be considered the GOAT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y*so*blu Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Roughly half, I'd say. He's managed to cram two HOF-level careers into one. Just a testament to how hard the guy works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-mac Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, y*so*blu said: Roughly half, I'd say. He's managed to cram two HOF-level careers into one. Just a testament to how hard the guy works. Three, I’d argue. 2001-2009 = HOF career 2010-2015 = HOF career 2016-present = HOF career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 7 hours ago, paul-mac said: Three, I’d argue. 2001-2009 = HOF career 2010-2015 = HOF career 2016-present = HOF career You can break it down a bit more evenly. 2001-2007: 3rings, a first team and second team All Pro, MVP with the 16-0 season, breaking single season touchdown record and the first to get to 50 2008-2014: First ever unanimous MVP, two appearances, a SB win, comeback player of the year, and broke the record for consecutive passes without an INT. 2015-present: 3 SB wins, 4 appearances, an MVP, 3 other MVP caliber seasons, broke the single season TD:INT ratio The weakest is that middle portion and it’s still a better HOF case than Wilson who has a real shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I don’t think Brady is gonna retire, but considering he didn’t commit to 2022 right away, I think this will be his final season in the NFL. A league without Brady, Manning, Brees, and Ben is almost upon us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 An alternate take: If you remove 2007 from Brady's career, I'd say he wouldn't be considered GOAT any more. In order to be a true GOAT you need to have a peak that is unmatched. But, given Brady's paltry 3 All Pros over his entire career, it is evident he never consistently outperformed his peers. The 2007 season is a true outlier. Now, the degree to which Randy Moss carried Brady to his one truly dominant year can be debated. But you can certainly see Moss's outsized effects he has had on other QBs such as Cunningham and Culpepper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: An alternate take: If you remove 2007 from Brady's career, I'd say he wouldn't be considered GOAT any more. In order to be a true GOAT you need to have a peak that is unmatched. But, given Brady's paltry 3 All Pros over his entire career, it is evident he never consistently outperformed his peers. The 2007 season is a true outlier. Now, the degree to which Randy Moss carried Brady to his one truly dominant year can be debated. But you can certainly see Moss's outsized effects he has had on other QBs such as Cunningham and Culpepper. Respectfully, wtf are you talking about? No player has led the league in TD passes more times than Tom Brady. You take away that '07 season, he still has more TD passes, playoff wins and rings than anyone else in league history, by a huge margin. The suggestion that '07 is what put him over the top is asinine. Edited January 28, 2022 by Apparition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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