AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, candyman93 said: Keep in mind, we’re only paying Watson 1 million this year. Is that supposed to mean anything other than how scumbaggy your organization is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Is that supposed to mean anything other than how scumbaggy your organization is? Think of it in terms of “combining” Baker and Watsons salary if we can’t dump Baker. We’d be paying a total of 19 mil for a starting QB this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, candyman93 said: The only thing keeping Baker does is keep us from signing Clowney. We will be able to sign our rookies due to releasing Hooper. Nobody was saying it was preventing you from doing anything. You should be able to do quite a bit with what you have. That's not really an issue. But if Cleveland wants the money off their books (which isn't necessary), the only way to do so is through trade. Baker can't be cut to any advantage. So the only leverage Cleveland has is "hey, we just aren't going to trade him", which isn't nothing, but not exactly great leverage either. Given how few spots are available out there, other teams have the leverage if Cleveland wants that money off the books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, candyman93 said: Think of it in terms of “combining” Baker and Watsons salary if we can’t dump Baker. We’d be paying a total of 19 mil for a starting QB this year. A starting QB who is at least missing 6 games, if not the entire regular season. Honestly I hope Goodell prolongs the suspension until 2023 just as a major F U to the Browns for trying to circumvent the looming suspension in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49ersfan Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, Forge said: When those spots got filled today, that was about worst case scenario for Cleveland. More so than the niners because at some point, the niners can just cut Jimmy if they want. The Browns can't do that. Baker's money is fully guaranteed, so if htey cut him, they still have to pay him lol Teams kind of have Cleveland over a barrel now Can Bakers salary be offset if he's cut and signed by another team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, Forge said: other teams have the leverage if Cleveland wants that money off the books That’s true and I don’t know what the FO wants to do. I don’t think the front office likes the idea of paying Baker and letting him walk. We did that with OBJ and it wasn’t a good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, candyman93 said: Think of it in terms of “combining” Baker and Watsons salary if we can’t dump Baker. We’d be paying a total of 19 mil for a starting QB this year. That's not accurate. You paid Watson 45 Million already (signing bonus), plus you'll pay his base salary (1M) and Baker's base (19M) and then whatever you're paying Brissett this year. That's real dollars going out this year. Maybe ownership cares about 20 Million to Baker, maybe it doesn't. In cap, you have 19 to Baker, 10 to Watson and whatever to Brissett, which puts you over 30M. Not awful by any means, but is the correct situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, 49ersfan said: Can Bakers salary be offset if he's cut and signed by another team? I do no know. Offset can be contract to contract and I'm not sure if that changes for fifth year options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: A starting QB who is at least missing 6 games, if not the entire regular season. Honestly I hope Goodell prolongs the suspension until 2023 just as a major F U to the Browns for trying to circumvent the looming suspension in the first place. The NFL can do that, but they’re gonna need to explain why they let Brady get away with doing the same thing during deflategate. Obviously morally, Watsons actions were way more disgusting in terms of off the field. However, if you try to punish teams for circumventing the cap, it begs the question of where do you draw the line as a league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Forge said: Not awful by any means, but is the correct situation I think we kinda already agreed on this. Thus my original post wasn’t meant for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 But honestly, even if offset was a possibility...who's giving him 20M+. Someone would likely be signing him to a one year deal, and if they aren't going to be paying him 20M, I wouldn't be surprised if they just signed him for the vet Minimum because he's getting his money regardless. No reason to make his new team pay for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Deadpulse said: Short QBs and New Orleans this is simple people I was thinking the same thing, but seattle The seattle short hawks if the size 8 shoe fits... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, candyman93 said: However, if you try to punish teams for circumventing the cap, it begs the question of where do you draw the line as a league? Depends on what Jim Mara says. (he got penalties against the Cowboys and Commies for "circumventing the cap") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, 49ersfan said: Can Bakers salary be offset if he's cut and signed by another team? Highly unlikely there is offset language in a 1.1 rookie deal. It’s what leads to holdouts with the team usually caving in. EDIT - well surprise, surprise - the Browns got it included. Wow. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/07/24/baker-mayfields-deal-includes-offset-language/amp/ Edited March 22, 2022 by Broncofan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Broncofan said: Highly unlikely there is offset language in a 1.1 rookie deal. It’s what leads to holdouts with the team usually caving in. EDIT - well surprise, surprise - the Browns got it included. Wow. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/07/24/baker-mayfields-deal-includes-offset-language/amp/ Now you know that he's signing for league minimum if cut lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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