MrOaktown_56 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 50 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: A lockdown #! CB is irrelevant? Double teaming a WR on every play is a good thing? Having a CB who can shutdown a teams #1 WR is an invaluable asset and allows the Safety you want allocated to doubling that WR to roam the field and play the ball. Having that safety be able to roam free will help in the run game and also put him in a position to play the ball while it's in the air and cause turnovers. Having a safety and CB matchup on one player because the CB can't do his job is never a good thing. The lockdown CB that I am describing (Ramsey, Alexander, White etc.) are invaluable assets versus the pass, run and pass rushing aspects of football both directly and indirectly. This is exactly why CB's are so highly coveted on draft day. How many lockdown CB's are there? Easier said than done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Frankie2Gunz said: A lockdown #! CB is irrelevant? Double teaming a WR on every play is a good thing? Having a CB who can shutdown a teams #1 WR is an invaluable asset and allows the Safety you want allocated to doubling that WR to roam the field and play the ball. Having that safety be able to roam free will help in the run game and also put him in a position to play the ball while it's in the air and cause turnovers. Having a safety and CB matchup on one player because the CB can't do his job is never a good thing. The lockdown CB that I am describing (Ramsey, Alexander, White etc.) are invaluable assets versus the pass, run and pass rushing aspects of football both directly and indirectly. This is exactly why CB's are so highly coveted on draft day. Terrell already a top 10 corner too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: How many lockdown CB's are there? Easier said than done. Here are a few off the top of my head. Ramsey, White, Alexander, Humphrey, Ward and Terrell. Having a CB who can shut down an opposing teams #1 WR one on one is an invaluable asset. Edited July 22, 2022 by Frankie2Gunz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: Terrell already a top 10 corner too. He absolutely is. The guy is a stud. We drafted a worthless piece of garbage in Arnette. Absolutely inexcusable by Grudock and shows how little they know about football. Five 1st round picks in 2 years and all are trash minus Jacobs. Whoever turned in Gruden did a fantastic thing for this franchise as we finally have a real HC/GM combo. Edited July 22, 2022 by Frankie2Gunz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Here are a few off the top of my head. Ramsey, White, Alexander, Humphrey, Ward and Terrell. Having a CB who can shut down an opposing teams #1 WR one on one is an invaluable asset. And they're super hard to find. You could literally say this about any premium position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 9 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: Terrell already a top 10 corner too. I would have been fine drafting Terrell but I was not pounding the table for him. That year it seemed like 95% of the board was pounding the table for him and from what I remember the team wanted to draft him also. Not saying he would have turned out the same as Arnette but CBs sometimes are trash or treasure depending on the team they go to. If we did draft him he could have been just an average DB in our system. Also possible he would have been better too. Like @Frankie2Gunz said who ever turned Gruden in did us a huge favor. I am not saying our new guys are going to be great because they still need to prove themselves but it would be hard to be worse then the last group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 3 hours ago, drfrey13 said: I would have been fine drafting Terrell but I was not pounding the table for him. That year it seemed like 95% of the board was pounding the table for him and from what I remember the team wanted to draft him also. Not saying he would have turned out the same as Arnette but CBs sometimes are trash or treasure depending on the team they go to. If we did draft him he could have been just an average DB in our system. Also possible he would have been better too. Like @Frankie2Gunz said who ever turned Gruden in did us a huge favor. I am not saying our new guys are going to be great because they still need to prove themselves but it would be hard to be worse then the last group. I remember people really wanted Terell and Jaylon Johnson... I'm 90 percent confident Terrell was our guy and then we reached on a bum... Losing Gruden and MM was a blessing in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: I remember people really wanted Terell and Jaylon Johnson... I'm 90 percent confident Terrell was our guy and then we reached on a bum... Losing Gruden and MM was a blessing in disguise. I wanted to wait til 2nd and like Johnson in our system if he was there in the 2nd. Didn't like any CB's in the first by our pick...Hindsight T Wilfs and then trade up for WR Lamb. Got a CB round two probably Johnson but Arnette there would have been better than 19th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 15 hours ago, G said: I wanted to wait til 2nd and like Johnson in our system if he was there in the 2nd. Didn't like any CB's in the first by our pick...Hindsight T Wilfs and then trade up for WR Lamb. Got a CB round two probably Johnson but Arnette there would have been better than 19th In hindsight I go with Wirfs and I still go with Jefferson at 19. I did not want any CBs until the 2nd. Looking back at the Mack trade it hurts giving back a #2 to Chi which is what I did not like the most from that trade. Would have been the 43rd pick and there was some good talent still there including Johnson and Diggs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 47 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: In hindsight I go with Wirfs and I still go with Jefferson at 19. I did not want any CBs until the 2nd. Looking back at the Mack trade it hurts giving back a #2 to Chi which is what I did not like the most from that trade. Would have been the 43rd pick and there was some good talent still there including Johnson and Diggs. imagine that. we nail both those picks so we have less holes, so we don't get scared to trade up. in 2021 we trade up for Parsons who was mocked to us in many drafts. imagine Wirfs, Jefferson, Parsons. we could have a dynasty with all those picks. crazy to think about in hindsight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: imagine that. we nail both those picks so we have less holes, so we don't get scared to trade up. in 2021 we trade up for Parsons who was mocked to us in many drafts. imagine Wirfs, Jefferson, Parsons. we could have a dynasty with all those picks. crazy to think about in hindsight I was hoping Parson's would fall to our pick. Hitting picks totally alters the following drafts. Wirfs means no Leatherwood. 😃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 12:41 PM, G said: I was hoping Parson's would fall to our pick. Hitting picks totally alters the following drafts. Wirfs means no Leatherwood. 😃 That would be nice but I am hoping the positive reports are accurate about Leatherwood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullslugg Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 My Hot Take, Leatherwood will be pro-bowler in next 3 years....Yah I said It! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, bullslugg said: My Hot Take, Leatherwood will be pro-bowler in next 3 years....Yah I said It! Be ballsy and say at what position though.... Edited July 25, 2022 by Totty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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