Madmike90 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: I'm getting sick of hearing about him. **** or get off the pot I would agree...not sure how much longer he can keep doing this dance before teams just switch off from the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTD Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 hours ago, StLunatic88 said: Really thought they would stick with Steve Wilks there This puts them squarely in the Franchise QB market, which is more likely through the Draft (or maybe Derek Carr) unless he wants to try the Carson Wentz route again, although I cant imagine a New HC would want to do that. I agree. I believe with the newer ownership and failed vet QB route already taken, this team will be throwing multiple assets into trade offers to move up the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 7 hours ago, dll2000 said: If Jets trade anything higher than a 3rd for Rodgers they are fools. I tried to warn them. Their fans anyway. This is a 39 year old Rodgers coming off a terrible season. You are probably getting him for 1 year and that year is unlikely to result in anything more than a wildcard win at best followed by picking toward end of first round again. Plus NY Media will hate him quickly and he has no good will built up in NY like he does winning a SB in GB to deflect it. Has soon as he goes on a mini-losing streak it will be nasty. Madness to make this move. Makes even less sense than trading for Favre at end of his career. And that is best result they can hope for. There are still radio personalities saying Green Bay will be getting two firsts for Rodgers, and I think Cowherd said something like a 1st this year and a 2nd next year. Blows my mind. If it was San Fran and they only had Zach Wilson or worse, whatever. You're overpaying still but for what is a Super Bowl caliber team it is less of an issue. But the Jets? Nay nay my friend. Lol 😆 4 hours ago, chisoxguy7 said: He's the first head coach in Panthers history to be hired with an offensive background. I guess 7 out of the 9 candidates they interviewed were offensive guys, with this ultimately being the deciding factor over Wilks. I don't see why defensive HCs are really even a thing anymore. Idk if I'd even interview one. NFL is an offensive league and while it isn't PURELY due to being offensive, look at the disparity of offensive over defensive HCs in the postseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 13 hours ago, Sugashane said: There are still radio personalities saying Green Bay will be getting two firsts for Rodgers, and I think Cowherd said something like a 1st this year and a 2nd next year. Blows my mind. If it was San Fran and they only had Zach Wilson or worse, whatever. You're overpaying still but for what is a Super Bowl caliber team it is less of an issue. But the Jets? Nay nay my friend. Lol 😆 I don't see why defensive HCs are really even a thing anymore. Idk if I'd even interview one. NFL is an offensive league and while it isn't PURELY due to being offensive, look at the disparity of offensive over defensive HCs in the postseason. I thought the trade for Jamal Adams was crazy (for that amount) and it happened. Who knows what someone will do. It would be crazy stupid IMO though. Continuity in offense is important. It can be overcome, but I think when a QB reaches point where he knows offensive scheme in his sleep it is a large advantage. Then you can get creative off that base of operation. Favre talked about how he would be bored in practice, and serendipitously come up with new stuff playing around. Brady talked about that too I saw once. I think that is point you want to get to with your QB. I think if there wasn’t so many overlapping concepts many coaches utilize offense in NFL would be much worse with all coaching turnover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 I think best case scenario for Bears is a double first round trade down. Love to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, dll2000 said: I thought the trade for Jamal Adams was crazy (for that amount) and it happened. Who knows what someone will do. It would be crazy stupid IMO though. Continuity in offense is important. It can be overcome, but I think when a QB reaches point where he knows offensive scheme in his sleep it is a large advantage. Then you can get creative off that base of operation. Favre talked about how he would be bored in practice, and serendipitously come up with new stuff playing around. Brady talked about that too I saw once. I think that is point you want to get to with your QB. I think if there wasn’t so many overlapping concepts many coaches utilize offense in NFL would be much worse with all coaching turnover. This is the reason why it is entirely in the realm of possibilities that we receive an insane offer for the number 1 pick. Teams get desperate and do crazy things. That being said, we are talking about our beloved Bears and history dictates that we can't have nice things 😡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 minute ago, dll2000 said: I think best case scenario for Bears is a double first round trade down. Love to see it. If this happens I may literally pass out. I am going to have to have my girlfriend with me on day 1 of the draft with an AED on hand to revive me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bigbear72 said: This is the reason why it is entirely in the realm of possibilities that we receive an insane offer for the number 1 pick. Teams get desperate and do crazy things. That being said, we are talking about our beloved Bears and history dictates that we can't have nice things 😡 I am hoping we do a historic double trade down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 Just now, dll2000 said: I am hoping we do a historic double trade down. Oops didn’t see you responded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, dll2000 said: I thought the trade for Jamal Adams was crazy (for that amount) and it happened. Who knows what someone will do. It would be crazy stupid IMO though. Absolutely. This is why I say to make your initial trade offer too low and work up or demand too much and work down. Only takes one fool or one act of desperation. 5 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Continuity in offense is important. It can be overcome, but I think when a QB reaches point where he knows offensive scheme in his sleep it is a large advantage. Then you can get creative off that base of operation. Not only that but how many times did we watch Rodgers scramble, just to see each receiver break off their routes to designated spots for first downs? That level of consistency and system fluency just adds another layer to how difficult an offense is to contain. Getting Daboll was on the top my my list in large part due to this. He worked with Allen, utilized Allen's legs as a legitimate weapon, and he would be able to give Fields and his supporting cast the consistency to master that offense IMO. 5 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Favre talked about how he would be bored in practice, and serendipitously come up with new stuff playing around. Brady talked about that too I saw once. I think that is point you want to get to with your QB. I think if there wasn’t so many overlapping concepts many coaches utilize offense in NFL would be much worse with all coaching turnover. Reid has been one to let his QBs and their players make moves on the fly. McNabb and TO had the ability to do that and now you see it with Mahomes and Kelce. They see something, both get the message and go off-script. Some think Reid is just a maestro of a playcaller and there is a level of truth to that, but the connection those two have and how they see the field the same way is what makes them pretty much impossible to stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I did not compile this, I am borrowing it from another poster. Quote https://beargoggleson.com/2023/01/21/ch ... ors-first/ I do not think enough people clicked through this artcile to show the REALISTIC returns the Bears would get so I am summarizing here for my lazy breatheren. The writer used BOTH trade value charts when coming up with these scenarios and almost all of them are slightly skewed against the Bears' favor. Expecting much more than what is listed below probably will not happen. Maybe one of the secondary picks are round earlier or another late rounder, but that is about it. HOU (#1 and the Bears 3rd) : 1ST ROUND PICK (2), 3RD ROUND PICK (65), 2024 2ND ROUND PICK AZ: 1ST ROUND PICK (3) ; 2ND ROUND PICK (34) 5TH ROUND PICK (136), 2024 2ND ROUND PICK IND: 1ST ROUND PICK (4), 2ND ROUND PICK (35), 2024 1ST ROUND PICK, 2024 4TH ROUND PICK SEA (#1 and the Bears 3rd): 1ST ROUND PICK (5), 2ND ROUND PICK (37), 2ND ROUND PICK (51), 2024 1ST ROUND PICK LV: 1ST ROUND PICK (7), 2ND ROUND PICK (38), 2024 1ST ROUND PICK, 2024 2ND ROUND PICK ATL: 1ST ROUND PICK (8), 2ND ROUND PICK (44), 4TH ROUND PICK (112), 2024 1ST ROUND PICK, 2024 3RD ROUND PICK CAR: 1ST ROUND PICK (9), 2ND ROUND PICK (39), 2ND ROUND PICK (60), 2024 1ST ROUND PICK NYJ: 1ST ROUND PICK (13), 2ND ROUND PICK (43), 3RD ROUND PICK (64), 2024 1ST ROUND PICK, 2024 2ND ROUND PICK Draft Value Charts to do calculations:https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Valu ... stTeam=SEAhttps://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Valu ... h-Hill.asp So Poles will absolutely be able to pry into who each team wants, they can refuse to answer but if he is smooth enough he can get a clear insight at least. If HOU wants Young and IND wants Levis he could potentially make the double tradedown. First Trade HOU (#1 and the Bears 3rd) : 1ST ROUND PICK (2), 3RD ROUND PICK (65), 2024 2ND ROUND PICK Second trade (For #2, scaled down to reflect that) IND: 1ST ROUND PICK (4), 3RD ROUND PICK, 2024 1ST ROUND PICK Again, to me the Draft Charts get thrown a bit to the wind when QBs are being involved. But this is an instance that I would fully support Poles in trying to get. If IND doesn't want to play ball after the trade down with HOU then take your guy and let AZ play with them. AZ already has committed to Murray and might want to replace Watt due to his retirement, so the threat of them trading back and someone else getting Levis is a real possibility. Of course if Poles just feels both want the same guy then he just makes his choice for whatever the best value is perceived to be. But dammit it is fun to be able to contemplate trading BACK for the guy you want rather than how much to trade up for him, or hoping someone else doesn't take them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxguy7 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, dll2000 said: I am hoping we do a historic double trade down. It's been a dark time in Bears history from the double doink to the double trade down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 This is a win for the Rams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Let's hear your best guess for where these HC candidates are going to end up?...for me... Broncos: Sean Payton Cardinals: Brian Flores Colts: Jeff Saturday Texans: DeMeco Ryans Side note...can't believe the Eagles get to keep both coordinators...especially Steichen who should be the fit in Indy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: Let's hear your best guess for where these HC candidates are going to end up?...for me... Broncos: Sean Payton Cardinals: Brian Flores Colts: Jeff Saturday Texans: DeMeco Ryans Side note...can't believe the Eagles get to keep both coordinators...especially Steichen who should be the fit in Indy. I think this sounds about right. Except for Payton. I'm not sure any big name is going to take on that mess. Therefore this guy is going to be the Bronco's next head coach: And this will be his OC: Edited January 27, 2023 by Bigbear72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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