NFLPA investigating handling of Dolphins QB Tagovailoa’s concussion check

[ramssuperbowl99]

Nice to see former players coming out so critical of this, by the way. 7 years ago Chris Borland was nationally thought of as insane for retiring early. The culture is slowly changing.

[sdrawkcab321]

The nfl has zero shame about their treatment of head injuries. 

[Kip Smithers]

5 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

There's an independent head injury specialist.

But the team doctors, training staff, player, and coaches who are going to be involved or try to weasel their way into the decision making. It would be very easy to outnumber and overwhelm that person and pressure them, especially if it's not an easy decision.

So, technically yes, but practically, there's a pretty big asterisk there.

But while that isn’t impossible, if they are independent from team and something the NFL has put in place I find it hard to believe that in a regular season game in week 3 that it was the case. 

[ramssuperbowl99]

Just now, Kip Smithers said:

But while that isn’t impossible, if they are independent from team and something the NFL has put in place I find it hard to believe that in a regular season game in week 3 that it was the case. 

If you want believe MDs are immune to human pressure, go nuts.

[Kip Smithers]

1 minute ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

If you want believe MDs are immune to human pressure, go nuts.

I literally said it’s not impossible. I didn’t say they’re immune. Gosh man. 

[Hunter2_1]

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What is Second Impact Syndrome?

Second impact syndrome (SIS) occurs when two concussions happen in a relatively short period of time and the second concussion is inflicted before the first has fully healed. This causes the brain to “lose its ability to self-regulate pressure and blood volume flowing” and causes rapid and severe brain swelling.

This brain swelling is so severe that as the brain enlarges it presses against the skull. The pressure squeezing the brain can be so intense that it causes the brain to push through holes in the skull, resulting in decreased blood flow. Without proper blood flow the brain cannot function, causing severe disability or death.

Second impact syndrome can happen when a second concussion occurs hours, days or even weeks after the first concussion. The severity of the concussion often does not matter. Even two mild concussions, if they happen in close enough proximity, can result in SIS.

 

I am not saying he was definitely concucssed the first time, nor that he shouldn't have been on the field etc, I am trying to avoid revisionism here. but IF...he did pass the concussion protocol first time and IF he was in fact concussed and still went out to play last night - there's a massive issue.

 

 

Research shows that someone who has already received one concussion is 1-2 times more likely to receive a second one. If that individual has had two concussions, “a third is 2-4 times more likely, and if they’ve had three concussions, then they are 3-9 times more likely to receive their fourth concussion.”

It is not uncommon that with each additional concussion the amount of time needed to fully recover increases and the force required to cause a concussion decreases.

 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Hunter2_1

[ramssuperbowl99]

1 minute ago, Kip Smithers said:

I literally said it’s not impossible. I didn’t say they’re immune. Gosh man. 

Yeah, read that part. Also read the "find that hard to believe" part and figured if the idea of one dude feeling pressure in a 60,000 person stadium, supporting a multi-billion dollar business hinging on that in the moment decision, with an entire team of people motivated to get the player back on the field is too conspiratorial for you to buy in, fine.

[dll2000]

9 hours ago, y*so*blu said:

Let's talk more about the injury and less about each other.

Since I'm not a doctor, here's an eval from someone who is:

He also commented on Tua's alleged "back injury" from Sunday.

This is worst case scenario for NFL and Concussion staff on charge at last game. 

Back when they were thinking of canceling little league football altogether when media hype was at apex our league had us do extensive training on concussions and concussion research.  

Biggest danger to concussions in research and in my direct observations is 2nd hit after concussion without proper healing time.  

One kid I personally coached as a kid got a double concussion in HS and lost his memory for a year.  Had they recognized first and sat him for a few weeks he would in all likelihood been fine. 

Not pulling Tua from that first game after first obvious concussion is gross incompetence.  Then defending it as just a back injury is insulting to all of our intelligence.

There should be penalties and fines involved to multiple people. Tua has a lawsuit as well if he wants it.  

[MWil23]

39 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

Nice to see former players coming out so critical of this, by the way. 7 years ago Chris Borland was nationally thought of as insane for retiring early. The culture is slowly changing.

For sure. I'd love to see this revisited 8-9 years later though:

https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/418020

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According to poll of 293 players conducted by USA Today Sports, 46 percent said they are most worried about injuring their knees or other parts of their legs, while just 24 percent said damaging their head and neck concerns them most.

 

[ramssuperbowl99]

22 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

For sure. I'd love to see this revisited 8-9 years later though:

https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/418020

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According to poll of 293 players conducted by USA Today Sports, 46 percent said they are most worried about injuring their knees or other parts of their legs, while just 24 percent said damaging their head and neck concerns them most.

Instead of making people do the Wonderlic, getting survey results on incoming rookies during the combine would be a lot more helpful for things like this.

[ET80]

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Look at all these health fanatics. Didn’t know being good at football puts you on the same standing as doctors with medical degrees. Hardly any SB rings between them too, clearly no competitive spirit. Say it from the back, @DontTazeMeBro!

Oh, all those guys are soft. They also don't have six pack abs and an 800 credit score (like... some people we know).

[Tommy_C]

That was just sickening to see. I feel for Tua, he trusted the Dolphins staff to protect him and they failed him.

I think McDaniels should be suspended for the remainder of the season, the head trainer fired and they should lose more draft picks in 2023/2024 (since they already lost the 2023 1st and 2024 3rd).

2 concussions in 5 days will do permanent damage. For what? A football game (or in reality MONEY)? Unfortunately it seems that NFL doesn't care about player safety since they did nothing to investigate the "back" injury Tua suffered in week 3, and subsequently allowed the trainers to clear him for week 4. 

From the looks of it, it would not surprise the in the least if Tua never plays again and his permanent damage. 

 

[MWil23]

14 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

Instead of making people do the Wonderlic, getting survey results on incoming rookies during the combine would be a lot more helpful for things like this.

I'd be interested to see which teams would draft guys who have a flagrant disregard for their futures and won't retire early. That would be a fun and unhappy byproduct.

[RaidersAreOne]

 

[TecmoSuperJoe]

4 hours ago, WheatieMan said:

Sorry man, but when you invoked the African kids and coal miners, you jumped off the deep end.

I don't work in the field to present endless data on CTE or early dementia susceptibility, but I'm sure those studies are happening and it's only a matter of time.

As far as the millionaires, no money is worth losing your wife, kids, family and friends over. 

I'm not sure what more the NFL can do besides throw more money at the problem, when the problem is the game itself. There is no doubt in mind we are going to 7 on 7 to create more spacing for flag football within 15 years at virtually all levels except FCS/FBS and NFL. I'd imagine the tackle game will be fundamentally altered as well.

What would have at least softened the blow is if the Tua injury happened on a Sunday apart instead of 4 days later. The NFL claims they are trying to make the game safer, and they've done a couple of things that are trending that way, but then they wanted an extra regular season game in addition to games on Thursdays. Tua's injury could have happened the exact same a full week apart, but it's just a terrible look getting another traumatic head injury after 4 days. 

As much as I love the game, I'd probably feel a lot better as a spectator if one day the NFL did do something towards flag football. NFL probably won't radically change until someone dies on the field in prime time though. 

Edited September 30, 2022 by TecmoSuperJoe