VigilantZombie Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 30 minutes ago, TheKillerNacho said: What you believe is up to you - I'm merely passing along what was said by the team and the league. Oh no I know that. I'm just not sure I'm convinced 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 the modified Maddocks questions are: At what venue are we today? Which half is it now? Who scored last in this match? What did you play last week? Did your team win the last game? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 This was video to review: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Given above video even if he answered Maddock questions if this didn't escalate to a locker room review and complete NFL SCAT that is pretty damning. That video I think requires caution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Tua never once moved either hand toward his back. it is very instinctual to move a hand to the area of pain, whether it is an ankle, knee, hamstring, shoulder, back etc. He shakes his head when he first gets up, with no hand movement toward his back. seems pretty far fetched to think it was his back at that time. Now, he may have some back pain, but very doubtful he did then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, dll2000 said: This isn't about your post, but poorly worded protocols drive me nuts (I know this is a checklist, but still). What does "if any elements are positive" mean? Does that mean if any of the above criteria register 'yes'? So by the letter of the NFL's law, everyone with a history of concussions needs to get a locker room evaluation if they're hit in the head, regardless of any other symptoms? More generally, why are we grouping all "Concussive Signs/Symptoms" together? If there was ever a time to list them out, it's a protocol for diagnosing concussions. EDIT: Should have added this, what are criteria for "abnormal"? Is an individual baseline used? If so, from when? Is it a group average? What is the criteria for "benign" video? 22 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Given above video even if he answered Maddock questions if this didn't escalate to a locker room review and complete NFL SCAT that is pretty damning. Yeah this has to qualify under Gross Motor Instability for a No-Go. They have an asterisk under there for physician discretion, but there should be specific exceptions carved out for things like stumbling or balance issues. If not, Video Review should come up yes given how hard the head hit was. If not that, Concussive Signs/Symptoms had to be a positive. Edited September 29, 2022 by ramssuperbowl99 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Notice if gross motor stability is observed AT ANY POINT there is no return to play. I refer you to above video. They F'd up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, squire12 said: Tua never once moved either hand toward his back. it is very instinctual to move a hand to the area of pain, whether it is an ankle, knee, hamstring, shoulder, back etc. He shakes his head when he first gets up, with no hand movement toward his back. seems pretty far fetched to think it was his back at that time. Now, he may have some back pain, but very doubtful he did then He also protrudes his back when he's on one knee to get up instead of rising up through his hips. Puts more strain on his back than he would have by squatting up or waiting for a teammate to pick him up, totally inconsistent with a back injury. Edited September 29, 2022 by ramssuperbowl99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Have a feeling some people will be losing their jobs this week over this situation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, tyler735 said: Have a feeling some people will be losing their jobs this week over this situation. At minimum, if not banned from the NFL... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, tyler735 said: Have a feeling some people will be losing their jobs this week over this situation. It’s sickening. The NFL is such a joke. Their hypocrisy…just everything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) Edit: meant to Google that Edited September 30, 2022 by DontTazeMeBro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duluther Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 28 minutes ago, tyler735 said: Have a feeling some people will be losing their jobs this week over this situation. I'll place my money on the team physician(s) taking the fall, even though the calls didn't necessarily originate from him(them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 That poor kid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 This is a very bad look for the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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