raidr4life Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 8 hours ago, big_palooka said: Some of you want to lose this game so you can pile on McDaniels and it shows. Raiders bounce back, 31-20. We should beat a jet lagged Jax team and we usually play better on 2nd of back to back road games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Waller was limited, we really need to get him and Renfrow going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Oak Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 On 11/1/2022 at 9:05 PM, ronjon1990 said: Patrick Graham is about to make Trevor Lawrence look like the "better than Marino, Elway, Montana, Manning, Brady, and Rodgers combined" QB some folks think he is. Jags 27 Raiders 13 I think Patrick Graham seems to take an inordinate amount of blame. Sure, the defense is not good enough, lack of pressure, lack of playmaking etc. but this team is so heavily invested in our offense, while our defense is largely much less talented. Despite the lack of investment, our defense has held opponents (in regulation) to 24, 23, 24, 23, 30, 20 and 24 points - not great but no defensive blow-outs, only one team scored 30 on us and that was the vaunted Chiefs. This being against a backdrop of our offense laying an egg and not moving the ball and putting our defense back on the field. What would Graham do if he had defensive players of the quality of Carr, Jacobs, Adams, Waller, Renforw and company? The only names on our defense are Crosby (who is a stud) and Jones who has yet to arrive in Vegas. Not giving him a pass, but we want a feast from a microwave dinner. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderX Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Jacksonville has a solid defense. Still remember the way they shut down the Chargers at SoFi. If the offense struggles like they did last week it's gonna be another long one. Defense has to find a way to stop the run. Jags are 7th in rushing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Heart of Oak said: I think Patrick Graham seems to take an inordinate amount of blame. Sure, the defense is not good enough, lack of pressure, lack of playmaking etc. but this team is so heavily invested in our offense, while our defense is largely much less talented. Despite the lack of investment, our defense has held opponents (in regulation) to 24, 23, 24, 23, 30, 20 and 24 points - not great but no defensive blow-outs, only one team scored 30 on us and that was the vaunted Chiefs. This being against a backdrop of our offense laying an egg and not moving the ball and putting our defense back on the field. What would Graham do if he had defensive players of the quality of Carr, Jacobs, Adams, Waller, Renforw and company? The only names on our defense are Crosby (who is a stud) and Jones who has yet to arrive in Vegas. Not giving him a pass, but we want a feast from a microwave dinner. He takes a lot of blame because of his inability to address even the most apparent adjustments, which has been a long standing problem of his at numerous stops, the defense having better players for the most part than last year yet backsliding, which has been a long standing problem of his at numerous stops,and his history of underachieving defenses under his watch that tend to do better when he's gone despite not making particularly groundbreaking additions in personnel. There's a reason he's been attached at the hip to other failed Patriots tree HC's and can't hold onto his job consistently, and it's not because he's had a track record of success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 9 hours ago, Heart of Oak said: I think Patrick Graham seems to take an inordinate amount of blame. Sure, the defense is not good enough, lack of pressure, lack of playmaking etc. but this team is so heavily invested in our offense, while our defense is largely much less talented. Despite the lack of investment, our defense has held opponents (in regulation) to 24, 23, 24, 23, 30, 20 and 24 points - not great but no defensive blow-outs, only one team scored 30 on us and that was the vaunted Chiefs. This being against a backdrop of our offense laying an egg and not moving the ball and putting our defense back on the field. What would Graham do if he had defensive players of the quality of Carr, Jacobs, Adams, Waller, Renforw and company? The only names on our defense are Crosby (who is a stud) and Jones who has yet to arrive in Vegas. Not giving him a pass, but we want a feast from a microwave dinner. I've been saying the same thing. The defense is void of any playmaking talent. Outside Crosby, the best player has been Harmon a 10 year vet on the back side of his career. Run defense has been decent. But the coverage and pass rush is abysmal. Graham doesn't get a pass, but he's certainly hamstrung by a lack playmakers on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 8 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: He takes a lot of blame because of his inability to address even the most apparent adjustments, which has been a long standing problem of his at numerous stops, the defense having better players for the most part than last year yet backsliding, which has been a long standing problem of his at numerous stops,and his history of underachieving defenses under his watch that tend to do better when he's gone despite not making particularly groundbreaking additions in personnel. There's a reason he's been attached at the hip to other failed Patriots tree HC's and can't hold onto his job consistently, and it's not because he's had a track record of success. 2020, as the Giants DC he took a group of unproven and castoff players and finished 12th in total D, ninth in scoring D and eighth in defensive efficiency. It was completely unexpected given the group he took over. Put him on the coaching map. Got him an extension and several HC interviews. Graham was seen as a rising HC candidate. Has had several interviews for HC positions last season as well. Was even among the Vikings second interviews last year. Dabol wanted to keep him as his DC in NY. He's never had a strong defensive roster, so saying he underachieved is nonsense. Most see that he overachieved given the talent he had to work with. The Raiders roster is weak and has no depth. He lost Fackrell and Kiser before the season. Averette was sent to IR week 1. Perryman, Nichols and Ya-Sin have missed time. Hobbs went on IR. You have guys like Deablo, Webb and Robertson playing a lot of minutes. Graham has to be better and does not get a pass. The roster however sucks and has no depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Heart of Oak said: I think Patrick Graham seems to take an inordinate amount of blame. Sure, the defense is not good enough, lack of pressure, lack of playmaking etc. but this team is so heavily invested in our offense, while our defense is largely much less talented. Despite the lack of investment, our defense has held opponents (in regulation) to 24, 23, 24, 23, 30, 20 and 24 points - not great but no defensive blow-outs, only one team scored 30 on us and that was the vaunted Chiefs. This being against a backdrop of our offense laying an egg and not moving the ball and putting our defense back on the field. What would Graham do if he had defensive players of the quality of Carr, Jacobs, Adams, Waller, Renforw and company? The only names on our defense are Crosby (who is a stud) and Jones who has yet to arrive in Vegas. Not giving him a pass, but we want a feast from a microwave dinner. 2 hours ago, big_palooka said: I've been saying the same thing. The defense is void of any playmaking talent. Outside Crosby, the best player has been Harmon a 10 year vet on the back side of his career. Run defense has been decent. But the coverage and pass rush is abysmal. Graham doesn't get a pass, but he's certainly hamstrung by a lack playmakers on defense. Again the no talent thing doesn't work when we compare with what an Gus Bradley was able to do with the same situation: 2021 -14th in yards per game(337.2 yards) -26th in points per game(25.8 points) -20th in sacks -29th in turnovers 2022 -25th in yards per game(366.7 yards ) -T26th in points per game(24.9 points) -32nd in Sacks -32nd in Turnovers Edited November 3, 2022 by Jeremy408 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: Again the no talent thing doesn't work when we compare with what an Gus Bradley was able to do with the same situation: 2021 -14th in yards per game(337.2 yards) -26th in points per game(25.8 points) -20th in sacks -29th in turnovers 2022 -25th in yards per game(366.7 yards ) -T26th in points per game(24.9 points) -32nd in Sacks -32nd in Turnovers Again... you are comparing 7 games to a full season. Get back to us with your stats when the season is over. Through 7 games, they are about even on points allowed. Reminder 2021, the Raiders were last in red zone defense giving up scores on close to 85% of possessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: Again... you are comparing 7 games to a full season. Get back to us with your stats when the season is over. Through 7 games, they are about even on points allowed. Reminder 2021, the Raiders were last in red zone defense giving up scores on close to 85% of possessions. Contradiction You:We lack talent that's why our defense sucks. Me: We were better on defense last year in every major category except scoring(where they are the same unless you count decimals). You: You are comparing 7 games to a full season. Get back to us with your stats when the season is over. You: Through 7 games, they are about even on points allowed. Reminder 2021, the Raiders were last in red zone defense giving up scores on close to 85% of possessions. ^You can't say that we can compare the stats from last year to this year and then compare the stats from last year right after That's called contradictory point With that being said we are currently 31st(Second to last and red zone defense). I'll add that to the ongoing season comparison Edited November 3, 2022 by Jeremy408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: Contradiction You:We lack talent that's why our defense sucks. Me: We were better on defense last year in every major category except scoring(where they are the same unless you count decimals). You: You are comparing 7 games to a full season. Get back to us with your stats when the season is over. You: Through 7 games, they are about even on points allowed. Reminder 2021, the Raiders were last in red zone defense giving up scores on close to 85% of possessions. ^You can't say that we can compare the stats from last year to this year and then compare the stats from last year right after That's called contradictory point With that being said we are currently 31st(Second to last and red zone defense). I'll add that to the ongoing season comparison I compared the first 7 games in 2021 to the first 7 in 2022. The red zone stat being a reminder to do what you're doing adding it to the list to compare when it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I don't know what's worse: The Carr sucks and is the biggest issue on the roster champions. Or The Patrick Graham defense fund. And the overlap between the two is stunning. One guy gets all sorts of the benefit of the doubt for "not having talent to work with" but the other guy had his chances (with less talent) and is toast. One has actually been productive. The other has not Talk about a clusterf of an argument.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 6 hours ago, big_palooka said: I've been saying the same thing. The defense is void of any playmaking talent. Outside Crosby, the best player has been Harmon a 10 year vet on the back side of his career. Run defense has been decent. But the coverage and pass rush is abysmal. Graham doesn't get a pass, but he's certainly hamstrung by a lack playmakers on defense. I’m just surprised that the offense crapped their pamper so tremendously in n.o. and it’s still somehow the defense fault lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 40 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I’m just surprised that the offense crapped their pamper so tremendously in n.o. and it’s still somehow the defense fault lol. Literally no one is blaming NO on the D? Can you post someone saying it is? people are just saying the D still looked bad against NO because people are posting D played great only allowing 24 pts, ignoring the fact NO was just killing the clock at the end. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I’m just surprised that the offense crapped their pamper so tremendously in n.o. and it’s still somehow the defense fault lol. Accordingly to who? You knew what to expect with the defense. The offense clearly was the issue. Who is trying to blame the defense for NO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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