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Cwood is a nerd and so are all the Packer Favorite Prospects: 2023 Draft Discussion Thread

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2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

Think JSN will run high 4.4's. He reminds me of a higher end athlete James Jones. If Rodgers returns, I don't think there's a single player who could contribute more year 1 than JSN. Pro ready slot.

Jefferson ran faster than people thought he would and it propelled him into the teens. Probably the same result for JSN if he in fact can run a sub 4.5.

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26 minutes ago, Old Guy said:

Yeah, Tillman is petty good as well. I think if Hyatt runs as advertised, he might last til early round 2. Doubt he gets out of top 40 picks with 4.29 speed though. 

When I was watching him, I kept going to one guy for a comparison.  But I didn't because this guy was bigger, and I don't think Tillman will be the kind of player that he was.  But I kept seeing Jermichael Finley.  He boxes out the defender, makes the grab, and doesn't get a lot of yards after the catch.  Finley was significantly heavier, and while not a tremendous blocker by any means, could hold his own in ways that WRs just don't.  

 

But I will repeat my earlier sentiments about Tillman.  I think that you can get Xavier Hutchinson a round later and not really miss a beat.  After watching both highlights, I don't see an advantage of one over the other, other than Tennessee vs Iowa State.

 

-> this is also just assuming that the rankings from the site that I used were accurate.  I am certainly not an expert, and there is still a lot more information to become available.

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8 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

Think JSN will run high 4.4's. He reminds me of a higher end athlete James Jones. If Rodgers returns, I don't think there's a single player who could contribute more year 1 than JSN. Pro ready slot.

You know what's going to happen right? Rodgers comes back and we're on the clock thinking maybe this is the year Gute goes against the grain and picks an instant contributing WR/TE, and instead....

"With the 15th pick in the 2023 NFL draft, the Green Bay Packers select, Anthony Richardson, quarterback, Florida." 

If 12 comes back, it's going to happen. 

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13 minutes ago, packfanfb said:

You know what's going to happen right? Rodgers comes back and we're on the clock thinking maybe this is the year Gute goes against the grain and picks an instant contributing WR/TE, and instead....

"With the 15th pick in the 2023 NFL draft, the Green Bay Packers select, Anthony Richardson, quarterback, Florida." 

If 12 comes back, it's going to happen. 

If we traded Love I'd be thrilled with that pick.

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25 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

If we traded Love I'd be thrilled with that pick.

Frankly, I'd be okay with it too. Depending on how they feel about Love, might be the smartest play anyways. Get one more year with 12 and then 3 years with a rookie deal QB. 

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9 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said:

My look at WRs.  I will again use the draft network for the rankings. Are they the greatest? I don't know. But the site is easy to navigate and it gives me some sort of list and a short profile to start with.  I categorized these guys by the size.  Official tale of the tape is not done, yet.  So this is subject to change.  And again, I am watching maybe 2-10 minutes of highlights. (parenthesis is their overall ranking)

Group 1:  Meets size requirements

-Quentin Johnston TCU 6'4 210. (19) This guy is another RAS dream.  Write-up says he struggled to get off press, and inconsistent in contested catches.  I don't know how he blocks, but if he can at all, pairing him with Watson would be unfair.

-Rashee Rice SMU 6'3 206. (54) Not as fast as Johnston, but a big target that is fast enough, think EQ.  Write-up says he is a good blocker, highlights don't show that. [edit] highlights don't not show that either, there weren't highlights of him blocking from the clips that I watched 

-Cedric Tillman Tenn 6'3 215.  (64) He plays like the classic big WR.  He shields off the ball really well, and doesn't get a ton of yac.  Write-up says he is fast, he isn't slow, but I didn't see anything that screams fast to me.

-Xavier Hutchinson ISU 6'3 210. (83) I think he plays the big WR much like Tillman.  Hutchinson looks like he would be a very good possession WR in the league.  

Group 2:  Tall enough, but too light

None in top 100 prospects

Group 3:  Heavy enough, but too short

-Kashon Boutte LSU 6'0 205. (45)  His build kind of looks like a RB to me.  He is also one of those guys that moves faster than it looks like he is moving.  

-Jayden Reed MSU 6'0 215. (82) I just see a solid football player here.  The write up says he played all WR positions and he returned kicks and punts.  One listing had him at 185, I put him here because he looked plenty big.  I don't know if there is anything special about Reed, but I also didn't see anything that would make you shy away either.  I think a good comparison would be Steve Smith from the Giants.  

Group 4:  Doesn't meet size requirements

-Jordan Addison USC 6'0 175.  (16) I liked his Pittsburgh stuff better than his SC stuff.  I will be honest, this is their top rated WR, and I just don't see it.  I see a slower Bo Melton, but with good QBs.

-Jaxon Smith-Njigba OSU 6'0 198. (22) This guy is smooth.  Reminds me of a Justin Jefferson or Greg Jennings.  Loved what I saw in his highlights.  He doesn't seem to slow down at all when making a catch, and catches everything in his hands.  If you want anything he could be a little faster, but he is fast enough to be effective.  

-Jalin Hyatt Tenn 6'0 185. (34)  Explosive.  This is a Desean Jackson clone.

-Zay Flowers  BC 5'11 172.  (39) Now we are getting to tiny players.  Looking at the video, I don't believe he is 5'11.  I am reminded of the midget from Purdue last year.

-Josh Downs NC 5'10 171. (47)  Zay Flowers but probably a little quicker.  

-Marvin Mims 0U 5'11 180.  (68) First off, watch his highlights to see one of the best catches you will ever see.  He seems to have a knack for getting behind the defense.  He also returned some punts and kickoffs.  He is small, but he doesn't look as tiny as Flowers or Downs.

-Tyler Scott Cinn 5'11 185.  (76) He is fast.  If you want Jalin Hyatt but miss out, Scott is probably the next best thing.

-Nathaniel "Tank" Dell Hou 5'9 160 (100) Very shifty and quick.  Way too slight, IMO.

 

Dave's conclusions:

-I like all of the group 1 candidates, and those are the Packers types as well.  I think Johnston and Rice could be really good outside WRs, that would work well with Watson and Doubs.  I also think that Tillman and Hutchinson would make good possession WRs, and be very valuable if they learn to block.  Given these rankings, I think Hutchinson in the third is a better value than Tillman in the second.

-I also really like JSN, and I didn't expect that I would.  Put this guy anywhere in the formation and he can work.  Plus, if you give him a couple of butter burgers he will be 200+ pounds in no time.  

-I also really like Hyatt.  He is listed about 10 pounds heavier than I thought he was, which is less concerning to me.  And again, Scott is a poor man's Hyatt, and could probably also be effective.

-I really, really don't like the tiny WRs.  Flowers, Downs, and Dell are just too small, and I feel you have to gimmick ways to get them involved.

 

 

Jayden Reed isn't 6'0" 215 lbs.  He measured at 5'10" 191 at the Senior Bowl so he belongs in your group 4.  He's a damn good slot receiver, though.  Nice route runner, good hands, very quick, had an excellent week at the Senior Bowl.

Johnston is an athletic freak but I'm personally not sold on him.  For a guy as big as he is he doesn't play like it.  Not physical, doesn't attack the ball but waits for it to come to him instead so his contested catch win rate isn't good (8 of 23 or 34.8%).  Body catches just about everything.  And he barely blocks in the run game.

As for your group 1 players, don't forget about Michael Wilson.  He fits GB's metrics at 6'2" 212 and was one of the best players at the Senior Bowl.  A.T. Perry might be in the conversation as well (measured 6'3" 195 at the Shrine Bowl, so just slightly below the weight threshold for now unless he gains some weight for the Combine).

Some big bodied day 3 guys to look at would be Jonathan Mingo (6'1" 226), Bryce Ford-Wheaton (6'3" 222), Andrei Iosivas (6'2" 212), Elijah Higgins (6'2" 228), and Justin Shorter (6'3" 224).  I'm curious to see how these guys do at the Combine and pro days.

 

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5 hours ago, packfanfb said:

You know what's going to happen right? Rodgers comes back and we're on the clock thinking maybe this is the year Gute goes against the grain and picks an instant contributing WR/TE, and instead....

"With the 15th pick in the 2023 NFL draft, the Green Bay Packers select, Anthony Richardson, quarterback, Florida." 

If 12 comes back, it's going to happen. 

I alluded to this a while back.  If Rodgers comes back and Jordan Love is traded and Richardson is there at 15, I could see this happening for sure.

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13 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

If I could pick one position that would have a Hall of Fame career with the 15th overall pick considering the makeup of this roster, I would pick a safety.

 

I'd go anywhere on the DL.

You add an Aaron Donald in his prime type player to this defence and it automatically becomes much harder to play against

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