Rodgers to the Jets Trade Discussion

[Leader]

27 minutes ago, 15412 said:

I don't think the Packers are "letting" ol Rodg do anything.  Or in the least they shouldn't be.  Both sides have a contract to legally honor, as bad a contract for the team that it was.  The Packers have to honor it until they have a better alternative.  Determining what that alternative is something the team should have already done.  Now they have to proceed while honoring their obligation to the player.  

You seem to have missed ARs continued and continual "I might retire" chatter.

[15412]

15 minutes ago, Leader said:

You seem to have missed ARs continued and continual "I might retire" chatter.

Nothing was missed.  If he wants to wipe his nether region with tens of millions of dollars the bad contract Murph and Gute signed him to comes to fruition.  The team would be as unwise to take that as a threat as they were in signing him to it.

You don't bend over once again so the old man can bore you out a second time.  Let him retire, take the hit, and move on.   No begging or conceding to him in any way.  That is the right way to handle this.  Making mistakes can hurt, and Murph/Gute made a big turd of one.  Time to move on for the sake of the team and the future, no more bowing to Lord Rodgers.

[beekay414]

2 hours ago, NFLGURU said:

Exactly, if the Packers are willing to let Rodgers decide, it says a lot about Jordan Love.  

lol you keep saying this but it's so clearly wrong. Rodgers has the leverage here because we gave him a dumbass contract and he has a fragile ego. It says absolutely nothing about Jordan Love, no matter how much you want it to.

[incognito_man]

3 hours ago, FAH1223 said:

https://packersnotes.com/2023/02/15/why-would-rodgers-want-to-leave/

Why Would Rodgers Want To Leave?

  

According to a report from NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport, who’s as plugged into the Packers as any member of the media, the organization is willing to trade quarterback Aaron Rodgers if he wants out. That begs the question, why would he?

If Rodgers decides to make a list of pros and cons in regard to staying with the Packers for another season while on his four-day darkness retreat, it’s difficult to imagine the con list taking very long to write. In fact, it might be challenging for him to come up with a single reason to leave the franchise he’s been with since George W. Bush occupied the White House.

The following are three reasons why Rodgers – if the choice is truly his – could still be wearing green and yellow come September:

1) WINNING

Unless GM Brian Gutekunst is willing to trade Rodgers to the 49ers, which seems highly unlikely, it’s hard to see how his path to the Super Bowl would be clearer away from Green Bay. While an argument could be made that the Raiders or Jets with Rodgers would be marginally better than the Packers with Rodgers, any small advantage in talent would be negated by playing in the other conference. The Raiders have to deal with the Chiefs, Chargers, and Broncos with new head coach Sean Payton in their own division, while the Jets have to compete against the Bills, Dolphins, and Patriots. Just getting to the playoffs would be a challenge, and then the Bengals, Ravens, and upstart Jaguars would probably be waiting.

The competition in the NFC is not nearly as formidable. While the Vikings and Lions are pretty good, the North would be extremely winnable should Rodgers stay in Green Bay. With a third-place schedule and some fortuitous bounces of the ball, it’s not far-fetched to see the Packers going 10-7 next season, which would almost certainly be good enough to get into the playoffs, and aside from Philly and San Francisco, what other teams would present a daunting challenge in January?

The point is, while the odds of Rodgers getting to next year’s Super Bowl with the Packers aren’t good, they’re no worse than his odds of getting to the Super Bowl with another franchise, be it the Raiders, Jets, Titans, Colts, Commanders, etc.

2) POWER

How much control does Rodgers wield in Green Bay? Put it this way; it’s a mild surprise that the iconic G on the team’s helmet hasn’t been replaced by a photo of the 39-year-old’s face. Ever since his evisceration of Gutekunst at the start of training camp in 2021, Rodgers has pretty much gotten whatever he wanted. That includes trading for washed-up wide receiver Randall Cobb, re-signing ancient tight end Marcedes Lewis, hiring assistant coach Tom Clements, skipping all voluntary minicamps and OTAs, and agreeing to one of the most player-friendly contract extensions in the history of the NFL.

And that’s just off the field. Rodgers exerts nearly as much control on Sunday afternoons in the fall and winter. Despite head coach Matt LaFleur being hired due in large part to his supposed innovativeness as a designer and caller of plays, the Packers offense has looked more McCarthyian than Shanahanian or McVayian the past few seasons. That’s because the person being paid over $50 million per year prefers being in shotgun formation and doesn’t like having receivers in motion.

Would Rodgers have power elsewhere? Of course. His talent and resume’ guarantee that he’d be more than just another player. That said, no GM besides Gutekunst is going to cede to his every demand, and no head coach besides LaFleur is going to be quite so subservient. For example, you can be certain that Joe Douglas of the Jets won’t be trading for Cobb and/or signing Lewis, and you can be equally as sure that Josh McDaniel of the Raiders, who wasn’t afraid to get in Tom Brady’s face during their 13 years together in New England, won’t be scrapping his offensive philosophy just to placate Rodgers.

3) PRESSURE

I covered Buddy Ryan’s Eagles several decades ago and vividly recall members of the media literally fighting to ask a question at press conferences. In Green Bay, sycophantic bloggers are allowed to throw softball questions at players, coaches, and front-office executives. Even when Rodgers faces a rare difficult question, there’s almost never a follow-up. And since the legendary Bob McGinn retired from the Jornal Sentinel a few years ago, critical articles are few and far between.

If Rodgers gets traded to the Jets and then comes up small in the playoffs, the New York press would rip him to shreds. And not just for a few days but for multiple months. The words choke and disappointment – in 60-point font – would be plastered across every newspaper in the city and be uttered from the mouths of the seemingly 10,000 people who host a sports talk show. That would be jarring for an athlete who’s been treated with kid gloves for the past decade and a half.

For all the stupid things he’s said in recent years, Rodgers is smart enough to know how good he has it in little Green Bay, Wisconsin. While growing tired of his schtick, most fans still revere him, and he’s forged good relationships with the small number of reporters who cover the team on a daily basis. Does he really want to deal with a bigger and far less cordial media at this point in his career, especially if the odds of winning a title aren’t going to be substantially better?

IN CONCLUSION: I’ve thought for weeks that the odds of Rodgers returning were 50-50, but if Rapoport’s report is accurate, it might be a good idea to hold off buying a Jordan Love jersey. If the choice is truly his own, it’s difficult to imagine the man who’s been a Packer for the past 18 years not sticking around for at least one more season. Rodgers has it good in Green Bay, and if nobody is going to nudge him out the door, why would he voluntarily open it and walk away?

Mostly dumb article.

[Kepler]

16 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

lol you keep saying this but it's so clearly wrong. Rodgers has the leverage here because we gave him a dumbass contract and he has a fragile ego. It says absolutely nothing about Jordan Love, no matter how much you want it to.

They keep saying it over and over and over and over..........

[beekay414]

4 minutes ago, Kepler said:

They keep saying it over and over and over and over..........

[Brat&Beer]

Rodgers soon to enter his darkness retreat. Rumor is that if he sees his shadow when he emerges, there will be 6 more weeks of speculation about his playing future.

[Striker]

2 hours ago, incognito_man said:

Mostly dumb article.

Well, it is Michael Rodney.

[incognito_man]

19 minutes ago, Striker said:

Well, it is Michael Rodney.

I didn't even look ha. That makes sense. I didn't get past the first few paragraphs until realizing it was something I'd make fun of someone posting on here.

[packfanfb]

18 hours ago, incognito_man said:

Mostly dumb article.

Maybe I shouldn't ask, but I'm genuinely curious what your issue is with the substance here. Do you disagree with the idea that Rodgers would still have the best chance to win with the Packers versus an AFC team like the Jets/Raiders? Do you also disagree that Rodgers enjoys being in a power position with a coach and franchise where he is otherwise considered a God by a lot of fans and most in the media? Forget who wrote the article...I think those 3 points (winning, power, pressure) are all pretty much on the nose as reasons why Rodgers would want to stay here versus starting over, especially for an AFC team in a much tougher conference. 

[VonKarman]

21 hours ago, Cousin Eddie said:

It says NOTHING about Jordan Love. It's likely about mutual respect and the mutual desire for Rodgers be a Packer for life.

Or more like no tema will trade for a high-maintenance guy who might retire in a year, costs 60M and he doesn't want to be with you.

[Arthur Penske]

Next thing we know there will be sightings of Rodgers at church in Vegas with raiders legend Randy Moss

 

[Sandy]

42 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said:

Next thing we know there will be sightings of Rodgers at church in Vegas with raiders legend Randy Moss

 

Does Vegas have a Holiday Inn Express?

[gopackgo972]

47 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said:

Next thing we know there will be sightings of Rodgers at church in Vegas with raiders legend Randy Moss

 

Wouldn’t put this past McDaniels lol

[CWood21]

2 hours ago, packfanfb said:

Maybe I shouldn't ask, but I'm genuinely curious what your issue is with the substance here. Do you disagree with the idea that Rodgers would still have the best chance to win with the Packers versus an AFC team like the Jets/Raiders? Do you also disagree that Rodgers enjoys being in a power position with a coach and franchise where he is otherwise considered a God by a lot of fans and most in the media? Forget who wrote the article...I think those 3 points (winning, power, pressure) are all pretty much on the nose as reasons why Rodgers would want to stay here versus starting over, especially for an AFC team in a much tougher conference. 

It's coming to a conclusion and then trying to logically connect things.  Without even looking at the bottom of the page, it looked like someone's WordPress article which ironically it is.  And if you want to look unbiased, you have to argue both side of the coin.  Let's go through each of those.

1.) Winning - Is Green Bay any closer to winning than say the Jets or Raiders are?   Despite their 6 games losing streak to end the season, the Jets finished only 1 game back of Green Bay.  And that's with a bottom 7 QB play from their roster.  There's no reason to believe that the Jets with even middle-of-the-road QB play wouldn't be a playoff team.  They get elite QB play, and you're talking about a team that likely makes it to the AFC Championship. The notion that a relatively cap-tight Packers' team is significantly better than Rodgers-led Jets team is crazy IMO.

2.) Power - Let's be real, any team that is trading for Rodgers is effectively going to give him everything he wants and then some.  There's very few HC or OCs who are going to be dictating to Rodgers.  Rodgers has a TON of leverage, and you know he's going to use that to his advantage.

3.) Pressure - Again, there's no difference in pressure.  Remember, this is the same Rodgers that purposely misled the media with his immunization comments.  He has no issues going in front of the lights.