RaiderX Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 On 9/25/2023 at 2:46 PM, MrOaktown_56 said: Give him a little time. It felt like it was always gonna be a developmental year for him. RAW potential but physically he's behind with the injury. Koonce should still get more snaps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 On 9/25/2023 at 2:46 PM, MrOaktown_56 said: Give him a little time. “Don’t got time to wait around” -adams- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Saw he only played 11 snaps vs pitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 38 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: “Don’t got time to wait around” -adams- IK but he was drafted with upside in mind and was injured when we got him. Can't rush rookie development. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: IK but he was drafted with upside in mind and was injured when we got him. Can't rush rookie development. Then draft someone who's more NFL ready - would be my response if I was Adams. Drafting raw developmental players with a top pick is very against "let's go win right now", which is what Adams (and others) wanted and came here for. It's very Jeckyll and Hyde, what our front office has been doing with our roster. I get his frustration. Pick a direction. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 45 minutes ago, NickButera said: Then draft someone who's more NFL ready - would be my response if I was Adams. Drafting raw developmental players with a top pick is very against "let's go win right now", which is what Adams (and others) wanted and came here for. It's very Jeckyll and Hyde, what our front office has been doing with our roster. I get his frustration. Pick a direction. This. Same for maxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 hour ago, NCOUGHMAN said: “Don’t got time to wait around” -adams- Didn’t you what Gary instead of Farrell for that reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 hour ago, MrOaktown_56 said: IK but he was drafted with upside in mind and was injured when we got him. Can't rush rookie development. Legit question because I honestly don't remember: Who's the last pass rusher who needed the level improvement we can see we need from Wilson to actually pan out? Wilson's our turd for the next few years, so I hope he pans out, but I can't think of a comparison there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 19 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said: Didn’t you what Gary instead of Farrell for that reason? Naw I mocked josh Allen and maxx to us that year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Legit question because I honestly don't remember: Who's the last pass rusher who needed the level improvement we can see we need from Wilson to actually pan out? Wilson's our turd for the next few years, so I hope he pans out, but I can't think of a comparison there. You're evaluating a rookie coming off injury who missed training camp. Most players are gonna look rough in that situation. Truly. If he looks anything like this as a 2nd year player, he's a bust no question about it. But it's ridiculous to judge him this early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said: Legit question because I honestly don't remember: Who's the last pass rusher who needed the level improvement we can see we need from Wilson to actually pan out? Wilson's our turd for the next few years, so I hope he pans out, but I can't think of a comparison there. Rashan Gary comes to mind, didn't break out until year 3. Travon Walker was the #1 overall pick a year ago and has yet to take off. There are quite a few high ceiling, low floor guys that took time to develop. Mack had 4.5 sacks as a rookie and people here were calling him a bust most his rookie season. Outside Nick Bosa who was polished to an absurd degree, it's rare pass rushers have all the tools in their belt early on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Rashan Gary is actually a good comparison and a guy I loved coming out. He comp'd to Ezekiel Ansah. Same comparison made Travon Walker and Tyree Wilson ironcially. All were HWS players, raw with limited tools but immense upside. Here is what was said of Gary who broke out year 3 for the Packers and is among the best young pass rushers in the NFL. Weaknesses Production as rusher failed to match traits and talent Rush plan is somewhat basic at this stage of development Long-arm bull rush is his only real rush tool Hands lack skill and have yet to be unlocked as rush weapon Lacks classic hip bend to dip and run the arc Runs himself around the pocket rather than working back under Plays fast but with no regulator for control Lacks instincts and awareness for misdirections and counters Tends to lose pad level on inside counters Doesn't come to balance consistently as open-field tackler This is carbon copy to what was said of Wilson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 https://x.com/MHolder95/status/1706767141566091638?s=20 So Basically we should've just drafted a corner or a defensive tackle last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 https://x.com/nflrookiewatxh/status/1706079895506338002?s=46&t=pqVkeysXJ6Q-8Nhd16vGEA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 17 hours ago, big_palooka said: Rashan Gary is actually a good comparison and a guy I loved coming out. He comp'd to Ezekiel Ansah. Same comparison made Travon Walker and Tyree Wilson ironcially. All were HWS players, raw with limited tools but immense upside. Here is what was said of Gary who broke out year 3 for the Packers and is among the best young pass rushers in the NFL. Weaknesses Production as rusher failed to match traits and talent Rush plan is somewhat basic at this stage of development Long-arm bull rush is his only real rush tool Hands lack skill and have yet to be unlocked as rush weapon Lacks classic hip bend to dip and run the arc Runs himself around the pocket rather than working back under Plays fast but with no regulator for control Lacks instincts and awareness for misdirections and counters Tends to lose pad level on inside counters Doesn't come to balance consistently as open-field tackler This is carbon copy to what was said of Wilson. Meh can’t call tyree a hws guy if you don’t know how fast he is imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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