BackinBlack Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: I asked how many players have been good pass rushers that lacked bend, burst, and an explosive first step so you used TJ Watt, one of the most athletic players in the history of the NFL draft, as your counter? Did you understand the question or are you just that dense? It's like saying how many small OT's have been great and you use Trent Brown as your example. yes .. you never said AND lacked atheticism . . .thanks. you said, lacked bend burst and explosive. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Cam smith or clark phillips in round 2. gonzalez just so smooth. turns head and finds ball naturally.. havent seen that in silver abd black since cwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: yes .. you never said AND lacked atheticism . . .thanks. you said, lacked bend burst and explosive. . . . And you used one of the most explosive edge players in the history of the NFL draft as your counter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: But I'm not really a fan when it comes to like "highly sought after". Like I want to hear why not just that "people wanted to draft him high" That was Butera speak for "I really don't want to go research all the stuff I read the last month" 😄 In the short, he's a 2 trick pony that is so talented he is the unanimous #2 DE prospect that, if, can put the first year together and learn from an NFL team another trick, can be Elite. His frame an power are unparalleled, side step and motor is amazing, so if he can put on size and learn another pass rush move (or how to use his hands) he's unstoppable. He's a draft prospect with "ifs", there's no doubt about it. He wasn't my first choice or second, but I can find plenty of reasons to be hopeful with a prospect like him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, NickButera said: That was Butera speak for "I really don't want to go research all the stuff I read the last month" 😄 In the short, he's a 2 trick pony that is so talented he is the unanimous #2 DE prospect that, if, can put the first year together and learn from an NFL team another trick, can be Elite. His frame an power are unparalleled, side step and motor is amazing, so if he can put on size and learn another pass rush move (or how to use his hands) he's unstoppable. I just don't think we could afford another potential guy that's not ready to help us now with pick a number seven with all the holes we have on Defense. I would've wanted to see somebody who's ready to play this year and contribute for real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: And you used one of the most explosive edge players in the history of the NFL draft as your counter... no i didnt. . i didnt talk about his nfl. I showed you his draft profile, aka before he was in the nfl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 damn Kancey gone.. sad wanted him. Kancey maxx wilson nice 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, BayRaider said: We would have gotten real bad value on Gonzalez in hindsight. Pick 17? 3rd corner? Not if we traded back like alot of us wanted then we would have gotten a pleasant surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: I just don't think we could afford another potential guy that's not ready to help us now with pick a number seven with all the holes we have on Defense. I would've wanted to see somebody who's ready to play this year and contribute for real That's true. But get this, a lot of his negatives don't make sense. He has unparalleled power. But no great first step. He can't get around players, but has impressive lateral agility and quick feet. He's the kind of guy who, in year two, becomes a monster with proper coaching. I can see him being more like Aaron Donald in year one TBH (in what role he plays for us) , finding a nitch inside bull rushing on passing downs. Which is exactly what we need. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Cam smith or clark phillips in round 2. I like Cam Smith he is my 5th CB I could live with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, NickButera said: That's true. But get this, a lot of his negatives don't make sense. He has unparalleled power. But no great first step. He can't get around players, but has impressive lateral agility and quick feet. He's the kind of guy who, in year two, becomes a monster with proper coaching. I can see him being more like Aaron Donald in year one TBH (in what role he plays for us) , finding a nitch inside bull rushing on passing downs. Which is exactly what we need. I can just see a situation where he gets like 4-5 sacks next year and then we are one of the worst defenses in the league and there's people saying hey it's his first year he still needs to learn how to play defensive end to which i'll point out that if you were going to get a non-quarterback it doesn't make sense to get a developmental prospect in the top 10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, roi34 said: damn Kancey gone.. sad wanted him. Kancey maxx wilson nice 3 I like him a lot too. I hope we go trenches again with our next pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: no i didnt. . i didnt talk about his nfl. I showed you his draft profile, aka before he was in the nfl His combine performance was freakish, you think his weakness was that he lacked explosiveness / burst? If he did that means only like 10 dudes to ever come out were explosive athletes cause he had a historically great combine... You're dense tho little buddy just make sure you find your way to the short bus tomorrow and wear your helmet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 16 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I asked how many players have been good pass rushers that lacked bend, burst, and an explosive first step so you used TJ Watt, one of the most athletic players in the history of the NFL draft, as your counter? Did you understand the question or are you just that dense? It's like saying how many small OT's have been great and you use Trent Brown as your example. He has a slow first step because of faulty steps not because he’s slow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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