Brat&Beer Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 34 minutes ago, vegas492 said: That's how I feel for right now. But I also feel this way....this team is bigger, faster and stronger than past teams. Those end of the roster WR's have some talent to them and Clifford wasn't afraid to give them chances. Isn't it a little early to say that Heath and Melton are better than the one and only Darrius Shepherd? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 19 hours ago, Brat&Beer said: Isn't it a little early to say that Heath and Melton are better than the one and only Darrius Shepherd? I don't think Melton is making the team. Heath is the one competing with Wicks to see if we will keep 6. Every time I see Heath, I get more and more impressed. As much as I'm a fan of Wicks, I feel like Heath is a tick better right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBobGray Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 On 8/14/2023 at 11:30 AM, vegas492 said: We really do wear Green and Gold goggles around here. One pre-season game against guy who will likely be doing something else in September. Staring down receivers. Taking chances. And getting picked twice. He's not hot garbage like I thought...but if we have to play him, we are, uh, up sheet crick without a paddle. This feels way too harsh, but I do agree with the major sentiment that if the Packers have to play Clifford this year, they're in a lot of trouble; that's the case for basically every rookie QB though. Clifford had a hell of a game from a developmental QB perspective; that throw to Toure rolling left was a legit 'wow' moment if I've ever seen one. Committed to what he saw even after the two picks and made a number of tight window throws because of it. You're never going to be perfect in the NFL, and I love a young guy who's going to keep taking shots even after some struggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 13 minutes ago, MrBobGray said: This feels way too harsh, but I do agree with the major sentiment that if the Packers have to play Clifford this year, they're in a lot of trouble; that's the case for basically every rookie QB though. Clifford had a hell of a game from a developmental QB perspective; that throw to Toure rolling left was a legit 'wow' moment if I've ever seen one. Committed to what he saw even after the two picks and made a number of tight window throws because of it. You're never going to be perfect in the NFL, and I love a young guy who's going to keep taking shots even after some struggles. Legit question.... Did Clifford look that good to you, because he really was that good? Or did he look that good to you because what we've trotted out for pre-season games has been just that bad? Such as UDFA's and journeymen UDFA QB's? I have a hunch it is a little bit of both. I also know that NFL quarterbacks do not get away with staring down WR's for seconds, then throwing into tight windows over and over again. I'm impressed with his moxie. I'm impressed that he seems to have a short memory. I like the athleticism in the legs. I'm also not going to get carried away because he looks good compared to the awful pre-season QB's we've seen after Love exits the past few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 18 hours ago, vegas492 said: Legit question.... Did Clifford look that good to you, because he really was that good? Or did he look that good to you because what we've trotted out for pre-season games has been just that bad? Such as UDFA's and journeymen UDFA QB's? I have a hunch it is a little bit of both. I also know that NFL quarterbacks do not get away with staring down WR's for seconds, then throwing into tight windows over and over again. I'm impressed with his moxie. I'm impressed that he seems to have a short memory. I like the athleticism in the legs. I'm also not going to get carried away because he looks good compared to the awful pre-season QB's we've seen after Love exits the past few years. Yeah, I'm quoting myself, because I want to expand on this a touch. I'm not impressed with Clifford after this game, for the reasons above. I am optimistic, though. I just want to see it again in the pre-season. I ain't "sold" yet, but we are moving down that path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Top ten pick, we go defense then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NFLGURU Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 On 8/15/2023 at 12:19 PM, MrBobGray said: This feels way too harsh, but I do agree with the major sentiment that if the Packers have to play Clifford this year, they're in a lot of trouble; that's the case for basically every rookie QB though. Clifford had a hell of a game from a developmental QB perspective; that throw to Toure rolling left was a legit 'wow' moment if I've ever seen one. Committed to what he saw even after the two picks and made a number of tight window throws because of it. You're never going to be perfect in the NFL, and I love a young guy who's going to keep taking shots even after some struggles. Like what I saw from Clifford so far, but he still has a ways to go. These were the first steps of a marathon. We'll see if he progresses with his opportunities. Love as I've said is a middle of the pack QB. You gotta hit the layups and while he shows good command of the offense, dink and dunk will only get you so far. 3 years in, its time to take the training wheels off, and see if he can consistently hit the downfield throws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Instead playing within the offense and taking what's there, I really wish we just tried to go deep for ****s and giggles. Why move the chains when you can huck a sick dart into double coverage? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Clifford keeps rolling. I thought this was a better game from him than week one. Didn't stare down guys as much. I think he only pitched into a tight window with 3 defenders in the area once. And his WR (I forget his name) made a great catch. So, I'll admit it now. Clifford is fine. Not garbage. He can be the backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, vegas492 said: Clifford keeps rolling. I thought this was a better game from him than week one. Didn't stare down guys as much. I think he only pitched into a tight window with 3 defenders in the area once. And his WR (I forget his name) made a great catch. So, I'll admit it now. Clifford is fine. Not garbage. He can be the backup. It was Heath on the catch you're talking about. Sometimes a backup QB will develop a rapport with a backup WR since they're often on the field at the same time. I think that's happened with these two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 38 minutes ago, Brat&Beer said: It was Heath on the catch you're talking about. Sometimes a backup QB will develop a rapport with a backup WR since they're often on the field at the same time. I think that's happened with these two. I like Heath. I'd like Clifford better if he would stop these super risky throws. At least he did not throw as many like that one in this past game. To me, he's getting better. And I don't mind having a gunslinger attitude as a backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLGURU Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 11 hours ago, vegas492 said: I like Heath. I'd like Clifford better if he would stop these super risky throws. At least he did not throw as many like that one in this past game. To me, he's getting better. And I don't mind having a gunslinger attitude as a backup. Hes got a little Favre in him. You know somethings going to happen, you just don't know if it's good or bad. He's fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 LaFleur basically said Clifford is definitely our #2 QB this year. They are very happy with him and it shows that the draft industrial complex is basically full of it quite often. I'm not sure I've ever seen a guy more ridiculed by the talking head draftniks out there. I've been guilty of it as well. I had this guy written off after listening to a podcast from those clowns at PFF after a single practice against the Bengals. They said he looked terrible and that the Packers need to make a move to get a veteran backup. I bought into that, but then the real preseason game hit and he showed that there is something there. Now he's shown that he's going to need to continue to make better decisions, but he has the smarts and moxie to possibly fill a backup role for years to come. He's a pretty good fit for LaFleur's system. I need to quit buying into what these "experts" say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 minute ago, {Family Ghost} said: LaFleur basically said Clifford is definitely our #2 QB this year. They are very happy with him and it shows that the draft industrial complex is basically full of it quite often. I'm not sure I've ever seen a guy more ridiculed by the talking head draftniks out there. I've been guilty of it as well. I had this guy written off after listening to a podcast from those clowns at PFF after a single practice against the Bengals. They said he looked terrible and that the Packers need to make a move to get a veteran backup. I bought into that, but then the real preseason game hit and he showed that there is something there. Now he's shown that he's going to need to continue to make better decisions, but he has the smarts and moxie to possibly fill a backup role for years to come. He's a pretty good fit for LaFleur's system. I need to quit buying into what these "experts" say. Buy into what I say. I'm collecting followers for my cult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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