Draft Discussion 2.0

[Mind Character]

I hate this draft class overall...absolutely hate it in terms of comparing the draft talent pool to last year's.

At this point, I'd rather trade the Eagles 2nd round pick to get back up into the top half or round 1 in order to get a more elite talent.

[OhioG]

1 hour ago, Mind Character said:

I hate this draft class overall...absolutely hate it in terms of comparing the draft talent pool to last year's.

At this point, I'd rather trade the Eagles 2nd round pick to get back up into the top half or round 1 in order to get a more elite talent.

I am with you on this one.

[CBrownsman]

2 hours ago, Mind Character said:

I hate this draft class overall...absolutely hate it in terms of comparing the draft talent pool to last year's.

At this point, I'd rather trade the Eagles 2nd round pick to get back up into the top half or round 1 in order to get a more elite talent.

I wouldn't mind that at all.

I hear they are going hard after defensive backs in free agency.

I would love to see them draft a QB, then take Barkley, then trade back into the first round for Ridley or Sutton.

Really do wonders for our offense and defense in one season.

[bruceb]

9 hours ago, Mind Character said:

I hate this draft class overall...absolutely hate it in terms of comparing the draft talent pool to last year's.

At this point, I'd rather trade the Eagles 2nd round pick to get back up into the top half or round 1 in order to get a more elite talent.

Me, too.

Still believe that we do not need another slew of young players and that it makes more sense to gang up our picks for quality players in trades, higher draft choices this year and draft picks for next year.

Give me no more than 5 higher picks this year including our QBOTF with 2-3 of them becoming blue chips.

[Aztec Hammer]

Lance Zierlein just released his rankings. Personally he's the draft analyst I tend to respect the most. Top 5 prospects and comparisons goes as follows:

1. Saquon Barkley (7.5) - comp: Barry Sanders

2. Quentin Nelson (7.45) - comp: Larry Allen

3. Tremaine Edmunds (7.28) - comp: Brian Urlacher

4. Bradley Chubb (7.25) - comp: Chris Long

5. Sam Darnold (7.1) - comp: Andrew Luck

Some other notable rankings...

Josh Rosen (6.1)

Baker Mayfield (6.0)

Lamar Jackson (6.0)

Josh Allen (5.9)

Minkah Fitzpatrick (6.5)

[MWil23]

2 minutes ago, Aztec Hammer said:

Lance Zierlein just released his rankings. Personally he's the draft analyst I tend to respect the most. Top 5 prospects and comparisons goes as follows:

1. Saquon Barkley (7.5) - comp: Barry Sanders

I like Barkley a lot, but there will never be another RB with a running style like Barry.

2 minutes ago, Aztec Hammer said:

2. Quentin Nelson (7.45) - comp: Larry Allen

3. Tremaine Edmunds (7.28) - comp: Brian Urlacher

You couldn't go wrong, if this is the case, trading back from #4 and getting one of these guys, even if these aren't positions of "need", but I'd be upset as they are probably our two best position groups on the entire team. The only way you draft an interior OL is if someone is able to play Center at a high level.

2 minutes ago, Aztec Hammer said:

4. Bradley Chubb (7.25) - comp: Chris Long

I won't argue with this comparison. One of the MANY reasons it would be stupid to draft him to replace Ogbah. Ogbah may be better. You aren't drafting Chris Long 2.0 to replace a young DE who is very good, especially when there are plenty of other talented players available who fulfill a much bigger need.

2 minutes ago, Aztec Hammer said:

5. Sam Darnold (7.1) - comp: Andrew Luck

Just draft him already. Let's do this thing.

[candyman93]

Something that has bothered me. I’ve seen people say “well you don’t need to draft a runningback that high,” but we should draft a safety that high....? How many safeties have been picked in the top 5?

 

If you want to argue Chubb over Barkley because pass rusher >>>> I will agree with you.

[Mind Character]

I like Lance Zierlein a lot, but the idea of comparing Barry to Barkley is one of the most annoying takes ever.

Barry was a bowling ball, had the best contact balance of all time, bounced of tackles, took major blows and balanced up and ran for another 30 yards, everyone remembers Barry for his elusiveness, but he was a monster on and after contact.

The literal comparison for Saquon Barkley is Reggie Bush. Reggie and Saquon had completely different body types and were on the opposite ends of the spectrum physicality wise. For years, Reggie was maligned as only an outside runner which was false because he was a complete back whose size blinded people to how he could be used. Without the multiple catastrophic knee injuries, he would've been a repeated elite complete back.

Saquon has the elusiveness, rare top end speed, pass catching versatility, special teams versatility and running style of Reggie Bush at the height of his powers.

Saquon is bigger and stronger so that makes him an even more desirable prospect; however, Reggie and Saquon both suffer from blocking issues and even worse their legs die on contact.

No one talks about it...no one at all, but if you watch Saquon's games he doesn't get touched in all his big time runs. He uses his speed and elusiveness and burst to accelerate to a speed that outpaces the college football field.

When he does get touched or is hit on the legs...he goes down fast and easy like every other non-elite back which is shocking due to the strength of his legs and quads.

He doesn't really run through tackles all that much either. The instances are few and far between.

Someone really watch his tape and prove to me otherwise.

I can say all these criticisms and say Saquon is a top 12 talent, a great RB prospect, and I'd love to have him on our team.

[TheeRealDeal]

Watched Tremaine Edmunds this week and was blown away. He's the best off the ball outside linebacker I've seen that I can remember. He is even more athletic and rangy than Anthony Barr. He finds and shoots the window quicker than any linebacker i've watched in a long time if not ever. Obviously Patrick Willis and Luke Kuechly were better prospects but they were MLB linebackers who could also dominant downhill between the guards in the run game. I actually believe As side from the between the tackles run game I think Edmunds can have more of an impact than those two.

Without question he is my new #1 defensive player in the draft. His all around game will have a much higher play to play impact than that of Bradley Chubb IMO. I think Indianapolis would be hard pressed to pass up a defensive guy like him in the draft.

[MSURacerDT55]

On ‎2‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 7:35 AM, Aztec Hammer said:

Lance Zierlein just released his rankings. Personally he's the draft analyst I tend to respect the most. Top 5 prospects and comparisons goes as follows:

1. Saquon Barkley (7.5) - comp: Barry Sanders

2. Quentin Nelson (7.45) - comp: Larry Allen

3. Tremaine Edmunds (7.28) - comp: Brian Urlacher

4. Bradley Chubb (7.25) - comp: Chris Long

5. Sam Darnold (7.1) - comp: Andrew Luck

Some other notable rankings...

Josh Rosen (6.1)

Baker Mayfield (6.0)

Lamar Jackson (6.0)

Josh Allen (5.9)

Minkah Fitzpatrick (6.5)

Click bait

[cortes02]

On ‎2‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 7:42 AM, MWil23 said:

On ‎2‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 7:35 AM, Aztec Hammer said:

Lance Zierlein just released his rankings. Personally he's the draft analyst I tend to respect the most. Top 5 prospects and comparisons goes as follows:

1. Saquon Barkley (7.5) - comp: Barry Sanders

I like Barkley a lot, but there will never be another RB with a running style like Barry.

 

On ‎2‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 3:03 PM, Mind Character said:

I like Lance Zierlein a lot, but the idea of comparing Barry to Barkley is one of the most annoying takes ever.

Barry was a bowling ball, had the best contact balance of all time, bounced of tackles, took major blows and balanced up and ran for another 30 yards, everyone remembers Barry for his elusiveness, but he was a monster on and after contact.

I watched Barry Sanders when he played at Oklahoma State University and his entire career in the NFL.  He is my favorite football player of all time and I can say this with all sincerity, Saquon Barkley and Barry Sanders are nothing alike.  Barry made moves on the football field that would make your jaw drop.  His stop/start, cutting ability is second to none and although Barkley is a nice RB, neither he or anyone else for that matter is like Barry Sanders.  In my opinion, the Barkley/Sanders comparison is one of the worst if not thee worst comparison I've ever seen.

Peace!!!

[brownie man]

Rumor says Scot likes 

Quenton Nelson at 4

I would say if the coaching staff is confident Bitonio could play LT I’d be for it

but if not it’d be a dumb move 

I hope Scot doesn’t play a big role in our first 2 rounds 

after that whatever but his ego seems like it could really screw us up

[candyman93]

5 hours ago, TheeRealDeal said:

Watched Tremaine Edmunds this week and was blown away. He's the best off the ball outside linebacker I've seen that I can remember. He is even more athletic and rangy than Anthony Barr. He finds and shoots the window quicker than any linebacker i've watched in a long time if not ever. Obviously Patrick Willis and Luke Kuechly were better prospects but they were MLB linebackers who could also dominant downhill between the guards in the run game. I actually believe As side from the between the tackles run game I think Edmunds can have more of an impact than those two.

Without question he is my new #1 defensive player in the draft. His all around game will have a much higher play to play impact than that of Bradley Chubb IMO. I think Indianapolis would be hard pressed to pass up a defensive guy like him in the draft.

Edmunds makes sense if we won’t Joe as a rotational guy. Kirksey would play MIKE, Collins would play SAM, and Edmunds would play WILL

[BleedTheClock]

Quenton Nelson is a superstar. I couldn't justify taking him though under any circumstance. When making player comparison, I don't hate the Barry Sanders comp for Barkley. Obviously Sanders is a once in a lifetime kind of player, but there are similarities between the two in terms of the way they win. Both are unbelievably elusive, both are unstoppable in open space, and both had power to back up their shiftiness. Comparisons for Barkley are hard to come by because there aren't many prospects that can match him in the NFL's history. He really is special. i don't hate the Sanders comparison, but I wouldn't expect him to be same caliber of player...I just think they'll win in similar ways.

 

Not a fan of people bashing player comparisons and then not giving one themselves. Do better if you can.

 

Tremaine Edmunds is a really solid football player, but not someone I'd consider us taking. He's going to be solid, but isn't nearly as good as Brian Urlacher, Anthony Barr, or some of the other big-name ILB's he's drawing comparisons to. He reminds me of old SF 49er Julian Peterson. Tremaine Edmunds was invisible in the two games I watched of VT live this year. His highlight tape looks amazing, but I'm concerned with how invisible VT's best defensive player was when I watched him play.

[BleedTheClock]

Oh, and with Tremaine Edmunds, if we drafted him, it would be almost assuredly to replace Jamie Collins. Collins has a big contract and hasn't played up to it even remotely. I don't think we need to replace Collins, but assuming we wanted to upgrade a LB spot, it would be Collins. And Tremaine Edmunds' best position is SLB actually.