JaguarCrazy2832 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 34 minutes ago, Soko said: Very likely does swing that way, but pulling this trigger before knowing who is and who isn’t there makes this a dumb trade. Makes it potentially dumb I suppose but possibly not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 According to the Rich Hill Trade Value Chart via Draft Tek, the Vikings’ two first-rounders are worth 603 points combined. The No. 3 overall pick is 514 points, which the Vikings could easily match and then some with a trade package. However, the Jimmy Johnson Trade Value Chart model shows the Vikings would be just short of the No. 3 pick’s value (2200 points) with just their two first-round picks (2,010 points). In either model, the Vikings are at least within striking distance of providing adequate value to a team in the top three; if that team were interested in trading back. That willingness, though, remains a significant hurdle to landing one of the top quarterback prospects in this class. “The Vikings have a plan,” The Athletic’s Dianna Russini posted in reaction to the trade. https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/rapoport-motive-trade-texans-daniels-maye-mccarthy/?fbclid=IwAR2WoJ1O1NQt9kuL-BqIovx_aiS_TVFLhSPv1aNlpSDXsUAuKv-e2SIjfN0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teen Girl Squad Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 28 minutes ago, vike daddy said: According to the Rich Hill Trade Value Chart via Draft Tek, the Vikings’ two first-rounders are worth 603 points combined. The No. 3 overall pick is 514 points, which the Vikings could easily match and then some with a trade package. However, the Jimmy Johnson Trade Value Chart model shows the Vikings would be just short of the No. 3 pick’s value (2200 points) with just their two first-round picks (2,010 points). In either model, the Vikings are at least within striking distance of providing adequate value to a team in the top three; if that team were interested in trading back. That willingness, though, remains a significant hurdle to landing one of the top quarterback prospects in this class. “The Vikings have a plan,” The Athletic’s Dianna Russini posted in reaction to the trade. https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/rapoport-motive-trade-texans-daniels-maye-mccarthy/?fbclid=IwAR2WoJ1O1NQt9kuL-BqIovx_aiS_TVFLhSPv1aNlpSDXsUAuKv-e2SIjfN0 While nothing is set in stone, my hunch is that the Vikings already have a handshake deal with a relevant team but are waiting to see if a team higher/lower is willing to take less for the move up. Maybe waiting to see how the draft actually shakes out to target a spot. Worst case, they have a second first round pick without losing too much value for the aggression. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 3 minutes ago, Teen Girl Squad said: While nothing is set in stone, my hunch is that the Vikings already have a handshake deal with a relevant team but are waiting to see if a team higher/lower is willing to take less for the move up. Maybe waiting to see how the draft actually shakes out to target a spot. Worst case, they have a second first round pick without losing too much value for the aggression. ja! our GM has stated that his QB plans have layers of contingencies, as most any GM would have. but yes, the Vikings have set themselves up for different dominoes to fall and reacting well to them. hopefully even encouraging certain ones to materialize. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 15 hours ago, PossibleCabbage said: The Chargers already have one of the best left tackles in the league with Rashawn Slater. Why are you drafting another Left Tackle? If they wanted to have a dominant OL they'd be better off trading 5 for 2 FRPs and drafting like Fuaga and Barton. I just don't see a Harbaugh offense valuing "elite WR" all that highly either. But the problem is when you're looking at the tier of prospects, there's a gap somewhere in that 9/10 range. You're going to see 4 QBs (McCarthy, Maye, Daniels,and Williams) go inside the top 10, 2 WRs (MHJ and Nabers), and probably at least 1 OT (Fashanu/Alt). Let's see what the rest of the board shakes out as without trades except a LA Chargers/Minnesota trade. 1.) Chicago - QB Caleb Williams 2.) Washington - QB Jayden Daniels 3.) New England - QB JJ McCarthy 4.) Arizona - WR Marvin Harrison Jr. 5.) Minnesota (via LA Chargers) - QB Drake Maye 6.) NY Giants - WR Malik Nabers/LT Joe Alt/LT Olu Fashanu 7.) Tennessee - WR Malik Nabers/LT Joe Alt/LT Olu Fashanu 8.) Atlanta - EDGE Dallas Turner/EDGE Jared Verse/CB Quinyon Mitchell 9.) Chicago - WR Rome Odunze/EDGE Jared Verse/EDGE Dallas Turner 10.) New York Jets - OT Olu Fashanu/WR Rome Odunze/TE Brock Bowers New York Giants seem poised to grab their top WR after MHJ assuming they don't trade up for a QB. I think they might be interested in a OT. If they don't go offense, it'll certainly either be CB or EDGE and I think they could be a surprise pick with Mitchell here. Tennessee has massive needs at OT and WR, so it seems either Nabers or Alt/Fashanu will be the pick here. I'd be surprised if it's anything but one of those two. Atlanta after signing Kirk Cousins seems likely to be the first team to pluck a defensive player. I'd imagine it's EDGE or CB here. Chicago was in the market for a WR, but they traded for Keenan Allen but I wouldn't completely close the door on a WR. It seems like they're leaning defense, so I'd anticipate an EDGE off the board here. Jets are likely in a similar boat to Tennessee and likely looking at WR or OT depending on who is available. So assuming the board falls the way I anticipate, I'd imagine that it's Williams, Daniels, McCarthy, MHJ, Maye, Nabers, Alt/Fashanu, Turner, Verse, and Odunze off the board which would leave Fashanu/Alt or Odunze available at 11. The problem is history has shown that a top 5 pick traded away for another team worth a QB is worth more than just a single late FRP. They'd be selling that pick for about 75% of it's actual worth on a good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 23 hours ago, Teen Girl Squad said: While nothing is set in stone, my hunch is that the Vikings already have a handshake deal with a relevant team but are waiting to see if a team higher/lower is willing to take less for the move up. And to do it this early means it's almost certainly with the Cardinals. Each team in the top 3 looks set on getting a QB, and if the Vikings are set on one of those 4, the only way to make sure that happens is get the 4th pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 23 hours ago, vike daddy said: ja! our GM has stated that his QB plans have layers of contingencies, as most any GM would have. but yes, the Vikings have set themselves up for different dominoes to fall and reacting well to them. hopefully even encouraging certain ones to materialize. I wonder if Kirk Cousin's void years getting accelerated to this season didn't throw a small monkey wrench in the plans. If there was some player+picks for pick deal that needs to be tinkered with now or something. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Maybe Minnesota's not trading up for a QB. Maybe they really like Penix and Nix and just wanted a 2nd 1st in order to grab one of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 29 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Each team in the top 3 looks set on getting a QB.... i'm not sure that's the certainty you see it as, with NE. they have lots of good options, including Harrison at 3 or trading for multiple picks for multiple needs. NE area sportswriters all say the same. some say the QB the Patriots want is Daniels, and if he is gone at #2, their strategies change. who knows...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texansfan713 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 2 hours ago, Soko said: Who’s slated to be RT next year? Tyus Howard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Based on recent history, in no way could Minnesota just offer two 1st round picks and move up into the top 4. They would have to offer more than just #11 and #23. Panthers Got: 2023 1st overall Bears Got: 2023 9th 1st round 2023 61st pick 2nd round 2024 1st overall 1st round 2025 2nd rounder DJ Moore a starting WR legit #1 or #2 option Houston Got: 2023 3rd overall 1st round 2023 105th pick 4th round Arizona Got: 2023 12th pick 1st round 2023 33rd pick 2nd round 2024 27th pick 1st round 2024 90th pick 3rd round Denver Got: Russell Wilson 2022 116th pick 4th round Seattle Got: Drew Lock Shelby Harriz Noah Fant 2022 9th overall 1st round 2022 40th overall 2nd round 2022 145th pick 5th round 2023 5th overall 1st round 2023 37th overall 2nd round 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 22 minutes ago, Texansfan713 said: Tyus Howard Doubling down then, lol. RT at 23, let Howard stay at guard then move on next year if you want (or not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodeeWater_Cheezburger Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 11 hours ago, Eagles $5$ said: What if the Vikings offer the 11 and 23 for Dak??? They might as well have just kept Cousins. Other than their age, they are the same guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 57 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Maybe Minnesota's not trading up for a QB. Maybe they really like Penix and Nix and just wanted a 2nd 1st in order to grab one of them. it's a possible scenario, but it's not as likely as they're going all in toward the top. who knows, we'll see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acgott Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, CWood21 said: New York Giants seem poised to grab their top WR after MHJ assuming they don't trade up for a QB. I think they might be interested in a OT. If they don't go offense, it'll certainly either be CB or EDGE and I think they could be a surprise pick with Mitchell here. It’s definitely QB or WR for Giants, unless they trade back. They have spent the most draft resources on OL by far and they need a RT not a LT. They just traded for Brian Burns, have Kayvon and drafted Deonte Banks last year. CB/Edge are not getting drafted @ #6 by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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