whitehops Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Kiltman said: They are very good, but Eagles are right behind them at number #2 for stopping 3rd down conversions and in the top ten for converting 3rd downs like the Vikings. (Comparison sake the Saints were the bottom 3rd in both categories) The Eagles do it by a multifaceted attack, from many different people. And since football isn’t a vacuum, they are all boosted by one of the best o lines in the game. But yea one to one Saints backs are better. But back to my original stats, it’s that reason why I think things could break for the Eagles. If they can string together some drives early, not even necessarily touchdown drives. If they can get that Vikings dline tired, which has already showed they’ve slowed down over the course of the season and last week’s game (even though the 3rd down conversion rate of the saints was way down that game) I just think it’s a big key to a successful night for the birds They don’t need fluke plays or turnovers to win. They can do it with scheme and execution. Now they obviously can’t give the ball away themselves. Also with Shamar out it further puts pressure on that dline. the vikings played the three best third down-converting teams in the league this year (besides themselves). their conversion rates: PIT: 3/13 TB: 1/6 ATL: 1/10 total: 5/29 (17%) the other two teams they played in the top 10 were the panthers (5/15) and the rams (3/11). while not impossible i don't think long, sustained drives against the vikings is likely through an entire game. the eagles defense and special teams making plays to give the offense a short field will be critical for the eagles to put up points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 17 hours ago, TheRealMcCoy said: I'm starting to realize Vikings fans are kinda cocky. I was just ruffle some eagle tail feathers in your forum. All in good fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveTheVikings Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, whitehops said: the vikings played the three best third down-converting teams in the league this year (besides themselves). their conversion rates: PIT: 3/13 TB: 1/6 ATL: 1/10 total: 5/29 (17%) the other two teams they played in the top 10 were the panthers (5/15) and the rams (3/11). while not impossible i don't think long, sustained drives against the vikings is likely through an entire game. the eagles defense and special teams making plays to give the offense a short field will be critical for the eagles to put up points. Not sure if it's brought up as we all know the Vikings are great on 3rd downs, but the rate they stopped the other rate was one of the best in decades. We were historically good this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, Kiltman said: Oh yea it’s kinda an obvious thing, it’s just an important thing to watch and I think is a more extreme difference in the two teams that is worth noting. 7 fresher guys from a season and game standpoint vs now 4 with Stevens being out Really we still have our rotation. Jaleel Johnson played well while in the limited time he has played while Stephens has been out and missed a couple spot games this year, he should add to the actual pass rush for us more than what Stephen did. Stephen was really just another big body that would come in on obvious running downs. Griffen Hunter Robison (Who also moves in as a inside pass rusher on distance downs) Linval Tom Johnson Jaleel Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 Really what hurt us in the Saints was having to have Tom Johnson play more on running downs when Stephens went out and not being able to rotate much. With Jaleel being active this game that should help out a good amount and keep Johnson and B-Rob a little more fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 hours ago, vikingsrule said: 11 hours ago, ILoveTheVikings said: Welp, we've now become underdogs Yeah, honestly the media loves Philly and fans are extremely confident in their team. This underdog nonsense really doesn't belong. NFL Networks picks are far from the norm. We are still underdogs and have been from the minute Wentz went down with a season ending injury. Just look at some of the other networks analyst picks: CBS - Vikings (7-1) BleacherReport - Vikings (7-2) ESPN - Vikings (7-1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///mcompact Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 It's okay to be the "overdog", guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yfz84 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I don't care if the Vikings are the underdog or overdog, what better be behind it is that W tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehops Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 42 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said: Just look at some of the other networks analyst picks: CBS - Vikings (7-1) BleacherReport - Vikings (7-2) ESPN - Vikings (7-1) PFF - Vikings 6-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 You think they matter? Check out the Vikings Forum Pick-em I don't think there was a single person in there that has voted for the Eagles to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_Eaglesfan Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 New England Patriots 1/1 Minnesota Vikings 2/1 Philadelphia Eagles 7/1 Jacksonville Jaguars 8/1 Vegas odds for teams to win the SB. Vikings are 3.5 point favorites on the road, which means if they were to play on a neutral field they would be a 7+ point favorite. Eagles are clearly the underdogs. Does it matter? Not really, but it is reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I don't really understand why so much is being made of the "underdog" thing by Eagles fans. If Wentz were still playing, you would be solid favorites. The problem is that he isn't playing. You went from having an MVP candidate running your offense to a mediocre backup with Foles. If you want to see what that does to a team, just ask Packer fans. They lived that situation for most of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 The Vikings were disregarded for most of the year because of Keenum. I don't know why it would be different with Foles until he shows something. The Vikings have already gone 13-3 with Keenum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponX Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Uncle Buck said: I don't really understand why so much is being made of the "underdog" thing by Eagles fans. If Wentz were still playing, you would be solid favorites. The problem is that he isn't playing. You went from having an MVP candidate running your offense to a mediocre backup with Foles. If you want to see what that does to a team, just ask Packer fans. They lived that situation for most of the year. I think sentences 3, 4, and 5 from your post address the confusion you expressed in sentence 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponX Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 The Eagles went 13-3. And when Wentz tore his ACL and was ruled out for the year, the national narrative around the Eagles shifted from Super Bowl contender to not even winning a playoff game. Then the Divisional Round week of preparation started up and Vegas had the Eagles as the first #1 seed that was an underdog in the Divisional Round in NFL history. People were saying the Falcons were dangerous and going to win. You want to know why the Eagles players feel like underdogs? You really can't figure it out based on that description? The players on that team feel disrespected because they were written off once Wentz went down. They want to show people that beyond Wentz, they're still a great team. And when people question that, it makes them want to show that even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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