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Bears could win it all If they had a halfway decent QB

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topwop1

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1 hour ago, vikingsrule said:

I don't think it's a sure thing that the Bears make the playoffs with a Flacco level QB.  I'm just Not sure they are as good as the Vikes or Packers (Rodgers), maybe three teams would make it from the NFC North in your scenario.

The Vikings defense is on par, if not, better than the Bears defense and Cousins is somewhere inbetween elite (Rodgers, Brees, Brady) and Flacco level (mediocre).

Bears have a better front 7 and Vikes have a better secondary, but yeah they are pretty darn close.  Right now the difference is the QB position.  If and when Trubisky's play reaches another level, hopefully within the next 2 years, then Bears will be tough to beat but right now this is still Minnesota's division to lose.

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3 hours ago, Nads786 said:

It's been two games. As a Bears fan I'm cautious about our future this season. If we had a Flacco level QB we would make the playoffs. If we had Brees/Rodgers/Brady it would be us vs the Rams in the NFC championship. 

Mitch is just not there yet.

nevermind

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44 minutes ago, topwop1 said:

Bears have a better front 7 and Vikes have a better secondary, but yeah they are pretty darn close.  Right now the difference is the QB position.  If and when Trubisky's play reaches another level, hopefully within the next 2 years, then Bears will be tough to beat but right now this is still Minnesota's division to lose.

The front seven is debatable. The secondary is not.

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On 9/18/2018 at 3:38 PM, patriotsheatyan said:

How are they trending in the right direction with less draft capital going forward than any team in the NFL and the 8th least cap space in the league next year?

They went all in for this season for reasons no one will understand the next few seasons.

Honestly you're one of the few who doesn't seem to understand. lol

Next year there are only two players that need to be re-signed - Amos and Roy Robertson-Harris. Massie is the only player with a serious role that needs to be replaced after that and Harry Hiestand is grooming several young guys this year. His level of production won't be hard to replace. Amos is a SS, and you have seen the market for them, it hasn't exactly been booming. Callahan is a slot CB who is streaky, he may get re-signed but isn't going to be a big loss if he goes. The rest are guys that are depth, and can be replaced easily or re-signed for minimum deals, including O'Donnell - punters are easy to get, can sign 2 UFA and have them battle for the spot. So the cap "issue" doesn't really matter. They aren't going to go and try signing a megadeal. Add in that the cap increases and likely some pretty easy decisions to make in cuts and the cap is more than fine. We have a rookie contract at QB for this year and the next 3 years (assuming 5th year option is used), so there is zero reason not to load talent around.

 

They have several spots locked in - QB, 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 2 TEs, a solid OL that will lose only a mediocre RT, and a top end defense. They have a QB-centric staff to help Tru develop. Compared to the last several years the team is obviously trending up. Unlike with Cutler the Bears aren't going to rotate a ton of new systems and ruin any chance of development. Trubisky will get to learn one and get to master it. Seriously, the Bears and Nagy have been working together for a brief time, only actually getting 2 games of note. Of course Trubisky is behind in reading defenses, he started 13 games in college and was in a simple spread system. That was known pre-draft.  He then had to sit through a Fox/Loggain stooge act for a year. Now Nagy gets to put time in with him just as he did with Mahomes, who is in his 2nd year of the system.

As for draft capital, you're severely overrating their "lack" of draft capital. The 2019 and 2020 1sts are gone but we have Mack and a 2nd in 2020 for it, and we used the 2nd next year to get Miller THIS year. Neither are losses. We also swapped a 2019 6th for a 2020 5th with some conditions to be met. Not exactly a back breaking loss. Pace has shown he is fine with trading down, so he can add more bodies if he chooses.

You want a young QB to be able to grow without getting him killed, not try to force him to win by throwing 40 times a game and being desperate to put up 28 PPG to win. That is what the defense and running duo is for. We saw a crap WR corp help kill the offense last year, and now that is not an issue. We have 3 WRs and a move end that are better out wide than our last number one in Wright. But literally everyone with real playing time is new in this system and the four players I just mentioned have not worked with Trubisky at all. The offense is going to come around, it is laughable that people think the magic turnaround just happens overnight.

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ILoveTheVikings

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On 9/17/2018 at 10:37 PM, Malfatron said:

yeah, they are trending in the right direction.

but if mitch aint the guy, its going to be tough

Yep. Especially since they wont be in a position to draft a blue chip QB prospect for a long time. If Trub fails then that's probably 2-3 wasted from this seasons and then they'd have to find an instant success at QB.

Anything can happen though. 
 

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No they couldn't.  That roster is far from championship-caliber overall.  They have some nice pieces on defense but too many Bears fans are already assuming HOF careers for young guys like Roquan and seem to think that Khalil Mack is LT.  Spoiler-alert, he isn't.  The defense is very good though and I think they'll finish top-10 this year when all is said and done, but even if they had a halfway decent QB like Cousins or Jimmy G I still don't think there are enough weapons surrounding them to be serious contenders.  Playoff team perhaps, but SB champ?  Nah...

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8 hours ago, megatechpc said:

No they couldn't.  That roster is far from championship-caliber overall.  They have some nice pieces on defense but too many Bears fans are already assuming HOF careers for young guys like Roquan and seem to think that Khalil Mack is LT.  Spoiler-alert, he isn't.  The defense is very good though and I think they'll finish top-10 this year when all is said and done, but even if they had a halfway decent QB like Cousins or Jimmy G I still don't think there are enough weapons surrounding them to be serious contenders.  Playoff team perhaps, but SB champ?  Nah...

I disagree and think you are selling the talent around Trubisky short. If Garropolo or Cousins were on this team they would be competing for the division crown with MIN and GB.

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15 hours ago, ILoveTheVikings said:

Yep. Especially since they wont be in a position to draft a blue chip QB prospect for a long time. If Trub fails then that's probably 2-3 wasted from this seasons and then they'd have to find an instant success at QB.

Anything can happen though. 
 

Well, no matter how bad Trubisky did this year, we weren’t taking a QB in the first round next year any. So we’re basically only going to miss out on one draft where we might’ve taken a QB if Trubisky doesn’t pan out.

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