NFL General Random Thoughts Thread

[Bassomatic]

1 hour ago, CP3MVP said:

WR is the most overrated position in all of team sports. It used to be closer in baseball but over the last 10 years the analytics guys that have taken over front offices have finally convinced the sport how wrong they were. The nfl still hasn’t gotten there yet 

On the other hand, WRs are useful when you want to cut down a QB and pretend he's not that good.

[Forge]

2 hours ago, CP3MVP said:

On 3/15/2019 at 10:55 AM, ClutchDJ said:

Lynch/Shanahan have to be on the hot seat if they don’t appear in the playoff hunt this year.

This is huge for them. Year 3 of this regime and the first two years they were one of the worst teams in football. They need to go 8-8 minimum.

They aren't on the hot seat this year. This is the year that puts them on the hot seat if they fail imo.  They both still have three guaranteed years left on their deal, so they aren't getting canned prior to year 4. Year one was a complete roster overhaul with possibly the least talented roster in there NFL, and year two they lost their starting quarterback. They've still got a little rope.

[11sanchez11]

4 hours ago, CP3MVP said:

Pass rush

Pass rush isn't a position. The Pats themselves don't seem to value defensive players that line up on the LOS. They can schematically draw up a pass rush so the individual players aren't that important it seems.

4 hours ago, CP3MVP said:

Again I’m talking to the guy that has been trying to justify taking a running back with the second pick in the draft on a 3-13 team. 

Well the Browns won 2 of their first 8 games with Hue as coach. And they seemingly drafted the most important position. What is around you is really important. 

[Kip Smithers]

4 hours ago, 11sanchez11 said:

Pass rush isn't a position. The Pats themselves don't seem to value defensive players that line up on the LOS. They can schematically draw up a pass rush so the individual players aren't that important it seems.

Well the Browns won 2 of their first 8 games with Hue as coach. And they seemingly drafted the most important position. What is around you is really important. 

Exactly people love to make sweeping generalisations without considering context. 

People say CBs aren’t that valuable because they’re the furthest away from the ball yet it didn’t stop his team from paying Stephon Gilmore a lot of money.

All positions are dependent upon another.

[TVScout]

15 hours ago, 11sanchez11 said:

How many times has a top 5 paid QB been to the SB over the last decade?

I might look this up if no else wants to.

Is that stat skewed by Brady being voluntarily underpaid?

[Danger]

Man I thought Landon Collins to KC was a done deal. Sources said so. where you hidin simon?

Edited March 18, 2019 by Danger

[ET80]

Donald Penn and Ryan Schrader, please and thank you.

[11sanchez11]

3 hours ago, TVScout said:

Is that stat skewed by Brady being voluntarily underpaid?

no imo, the point was it is harder to build a better team if you are paying a QB so much (obviously lol). That would be true for the Pats if TB was being paid market value. And since it would seem TB takes a pay cut to help build a better team it kinda reinforces the point.

so while the qb has the most effect of any player on the field, you generally have to pay for that difference and kinda evens the playing field.

Edited March 18, 2019 by 11sanchez11

[CP3MVP]

23 hours ago, Kip Smithers said:

Oh really, o-line and pass rush is all that matters right? Joe Thomas, Khalil Mack, Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Taylor Lewan, Von Miller (since Peyton retired). How have those individual players impacted the W-L column? 

QB  and the trenches(Oline and Dline) decide games in the NFL. Everything else is secondary and interchangeable.

The Patriots completely dominated the line of scrimmage in this playoff run and that’s why they were SB champions. 

[CP3MVP]

21 hours ago, Forge said:

They aren't on the hot seat this year. This is the year that puts them on the hot seat if they fail imo.  They both still have three guaranteed years left on their deal, so they aren't getting canned prior to year 4. Year one was a complete roster overhaul with possibly the least talented roster in there NFL, and year two they lost their starting quarterback. They've still got a little rope.

They can’t  flop again this year. The only excuse would be if Jimmy got hurt again, but then why would lead to problems because now you’re going to have to ask yourself did we give an injury prone guy who has shown flashes such a huge contract. Can we count on him to play 16 games a year? Do we look for a replacement in the loaded 2020 QB draft?

It also doesn’t help that Solomon Thomas is looking like a massive bust 

[Kip Smithers]

7 minutes ago, CP3MVP said:

QB  and the trenches(Oline and Dline) decide games in the NFL. Everything else is secondary and interchangeable.

The Patriots completely dominated the line of scrimmage in this playoff run and that’s why they were SB champions. 

Well who would’ve thought that a collection of five players is more valuable than 1. 

[CP3MVP]

19 hours ago, 11sanchez11 said:

Pass rush isn't a position. The Pats themselves don't seem to value defensive players that line up on the LOS. They can schematically draw up a pass rush so the individual players aren't that important it seems.

Well the Browns won 2 of their first 8 games with Hue as coach. And they seemingly drafted the most important position. What is around you is really important. 

The Patriots defense has ranked in the lower half in football outsiders defensive efficiency rankings for the better part of  this decade. 16th in dova in last year, 31st in 2017. They played well in the Super Bowl though 

Because Baker sucked his first two months then starting playing at a borderline elite level the last two. That along with an improved offensive line and the browns starting winning. Plus Hue is literally the WOAT

[SBLIII]

6 hours ago, CP3MVP said:

QB  and the trenches(Oline and Dline) decide games in the NFL. Everything else is secondary and interchangeable.

The Patriots completely dominated the line of scrimmage in this playoff run and that’s why they were SB champions. 

CBs are extremely critical in todays league. BB values them more than DL and I can't say I disagree. KC had one of the best DLs in football last year and their defense still sucked. No surprise that the Patriots were in their best when they were able to throw 3 legit corners out there.

[tom cody]

For me the oline is important in deciding games. They may be among the most unknown players on the field but quite often a good oline can be the difference for a team.

[Thomas5737]

23 hours ago, CP3MVP said:

Because Baker sucked his first two months then starting playing at a borderline elite level the last two.

Hah Baker was good from his very first pass. He was throwing dimes from game one (game 3 for the Browns) and continued all year. Some of Baker's more impressive throws came early in the year. The Browns sucked and had some unfortunate things happen that cost them games (Including having a Hue) but that wasn't on Baker. The game plan changed, there were shorter routes and more timing routes when Freddie took over play calling duties and that took pressure off of both the O-Line and Baker. He made a lot more easy throws the last 2 months than he did the first two months.

You are right about Hue, he is bad. The O-Line performed better but as players they weren't better they just had a much easier job to do. Baker was good all year, with a few rough games sprinkled in, so Hue leaving had a big impact because Freddie did much better than Haley/Hue and took advantage of what he had unlike the other two. Freddie couldn't have done what he did with Kizer so Baker was instrumental but Hue kept finding ways to lose even with a really good QB so if Hue was a head coach it didn't matter who was signed or drafted.