ET80 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, El ramster said: #WastedPrime #NothingWasAchieved #BetterDaysAhead #DonaldAchievedWhatExactly #26thrankedD #AllThoseSacksDontHelp 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, El ramster said: Why not enjoy both. Why does one have to be better than the other. We’re witnessing greatness at a record breaking pace. For the record, I'm good with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, ET80 said: #DonaldAchievedWhatExactly #26thrankedD #AllThoseSacksDontHelp Pls my good sir: there is still hope for i this season. Let me have this fam. Imagine if we both get there? Global mod assured. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I'll just leave this here: List of all defensive players who have had 16.5 sacks through 12 games http://pfref.com/pi/share/jLCcZ Tackles Rk Player Pos Age Year Lg Tm G W L T Sk Solo Ast Comb TFL QBHits 1 Aaron Donald DT 27 2018 NFL RAM 12 11 1 0 16.5 30 13 43 20 32 2 J.J. Watt DE 23 2012 NFL HTX 12 11 1 0 16.5 50 10 60 27 31 3 Aldon Smith OLB 22 2012 NFL SFO 12 8 3 1 17.5 42 9 51 15 24 4 Von Miller SLB 23 2012 NFL DEN 12 9 3 0 15.0 44 9 53 24 20 5 La'Roi Glover RDT 26 2000 NFL NOR 12 8 4 0 16.0 37 7 44 15 13 6 Michael Strahan* LDE 29 2001 NFL NYG 12 5 7 0 16.5 47 6 53 18 12 ^^That's unheard of. It says alot when a primary interior lineman can put up numbers like an outside pass rusher. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: I'll just leave this here: List of all defensive players who have had 16.5 sacks through 12 games http://pfref.com/pi/share/jLCcZ Tackles Rk Player Pos Age Year Lg Tm G W L T Sk Solo Ast Comb TFL QBHits 1 Aaron Donald DT 27 2018 NFL RAM 12 11 1 0 16.5 30 13 43 20 32 2 J.J. Watt DE 23 2012 NFL HTX 12 11 1 0 16.5 50 10 60 27 31 3 Aldon Smith OLB 22 2012 NFL SFO 12 8 3 1 17.5 42 9 51 15 24 4 Von Miller SLB 23 2012 NFL DEN 12 9 3 0 15.0 44 9 53 24 20 5 La'Roi Glover RDT 26 2000 NFL NOR 12 8 4 0 16.0 37 7 44 15 13 6 Michael Strahan* LDE 29 2001 NFL NYG 12 5 7 0 16.5 47 6 53 18 12 ^^That's unheard of. It says alot when a primary interior lineman can put up numbers like an outside pass rusher. Also makes me sad about Aldon throwing his career away. People don't realize how good he was getting to the quarterback. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Forge said: Also makes me sad about Aldon throwing his career away. People don't realize how good he was getting to the quarterback. No doubt. Man, you guys had a hell of a LB core (defense in general) that looked like it was going to dominate for a decade too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 29 minutes ago, ET80 said: #DonaldAchievedWhatExactly #26thrankedD #AllThoseSacksDontHelp Aside from the “value” portion of MVP, this is my biggest gripe when people argue he deserves the award. Correct me if I’m wrong but the Rams defense has been pretty poor with Donald. Would the drop off be that significant without him? How would his loss impact the team success? You couldn’t possibly argue he’s more valuable to the Rams success than Goff - maybe even Gurley. Or am I just stupid? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_shadows Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Watt... And I love Donald but Folks weren't even sure Watt was going to continue playing at one point after the injuries and with all the talk about Donald this year Watt has come back elite and done it almost quietly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, JustAnotherFan said: I'll just leave this here: List of all defensive players who have had 16.5 sacks through 12 games http://pfref.com/pi/share/jLCcZ Tackles Rk Player Pos Age Year Lg Tm G W L T Sk Solo Ast Comb TFL QBHits 1 Aaron Donald DT 27 2018 NFL RAM 12 11 1 0 16.5 30 13 43 20 32 2 J.J. Watt DE 23 2012 NFL HTX 12 11 1 0 16.5 50 10 60 27 31 3 Aldon Smith OLB 22 2012 NFL SFO 12 8 3 1 17.5 42 9 51 15 24 4 Von Miller SLB 23 2012 NFL DEN 12 9 3 0 15.0 44 9 53 24 20 5 La'Roi Glover RDT 26 2000 NFL NOR 12 8 4 0 16.0 37 7 44 15 13 6 Michael Strahan* LDE 29 2001 NFL NYG 12 5 7 0 16.5 47 6 53 18 12 ^^That's unheard of. It says alot when a primary interior lineman can put up numbers like an outside pass rusher. Is Donald's snap count weighted significantly more towards passing plays than the others on the list? With the prevalence of passing in the modern NFL, I expect that sacks per game should be up across the board. Not trying to take anything away from any of these players and I realize that the league was already pass-heavy by the early 2010s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Destructo Spin said: If we were just going on pass rush alone, I'd say it's close. Donald getting sacks from the inside is probably slightly more valuable than Watt getting sacks from the edge, interior pass rushers being a harder thing to find than edge guys. 3 hours ago, AntonChigurh said: Donald is better inside, Watt is better outside, both can switch positions. Depends what you want. If You need to attack the inside and swallow up the run generating pressure upfront, I am taking Donald all the way, If you need to stop outside plays and get a dominate outside Pass rush, I am taking Watt all the way. 1 hour ago, JustAnotherFan said: That's unheard of. It says alot when a primary interior lineman can put up numbers like an outside pass rusher. I know Watt plays/played all over and that includes as a LB at times, but where exactly is this sentiment coming from? Watt was primarily a 3-4 end (spending time at both DT and LB) - exactly what Donald is now with Watt’s old DC. He’s not like Von or Houston or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchDJ Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 hours ago, El ramster said: Why not enjoy both. Why does one have to be better than the other. We’re witnessing greatness at a record breaking pace. Because that’s boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Yin-Yang said: I know Watt plays/played all over and that includes as a LB at times, but where exactly is this sentiment coming from? Watt was primarily a 3-4 end (spending time at both DT and LB) - exactly what Donald is now with Watt’s old DC. He’s not like Von or Houston or something. Watt played a different position in the scheme. Donald plays as a 3-Tech. 3 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said: I'll just leave this here: List of all defensive players who have had 16.5 sacks through 12 games http://pfref.com/pi/share/jLCcZ Tackles Rk Player Pos Age Year Lg Tm G W L T Sk Solo Ast Comb TFL QBHits 1 Aaron Donald DT 27 2018 NFL RAM 12 11 1 0 16.5 30 13 43 20 32 2 J.J. Watt DE 23 2012 NFL HTX 12 11 1 0 16.5 50 10 60 27 31 3 Aldon Smith OLB 22 2012 NFL SFO 12 8 3 1 17.5 42 9 51 15 24 4 Von Miller SLB 23 2012 NFL DEN 12 9 3 0 15.0 44 9 53 24 20 5 La'Roi Glover RDT 26 2000 NFL NOR 12 8 4 0 16.0 37 7 44 15 13 6 Michael Strahan* LDE 29 2001 NFL NYG 12 5 7 0 16.5 47 6 53 18 12 ^^That's unheard of. It says alot when a primary interior lineman can put up numbers like an outside pass rusher. Also worth pointing out that Donald would have 17.5 sacks, but the NFL stole one from him before they overruled their moronic roughing the passer changes. And last I saw, Donald is doubled on like 70% of his snaps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Watt played a different position in the scheme. Donald plays as a 3-Tech. Also worth pointing out that Donald would have 17.5 sacks, but the NFL stole one from him before they overruled their moronic roughing the passer changes. And last I saw, Donald is doubled on like 70% of his snaps. That’s what most people forget about is that hes double teamed 70% of the time. Also he’s held on literally almost every play. Yet he still put up these numbers. Most people go based off hype and stats and don’t watch the games. The crazy thing about it is Watt played in a position where he could get the stats easier. Donald is a defensive tackle putting up these numbers. Then people wonder why we say our players are good. Like it’s not our fault we have talented players on our team. They really are that good if you actually watch the games and not just highlights 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Watt played a different position in the scheme. Donald plays as a 3-Tech. Watt played all over, especially in 2014 although I’d say predominantly as a 5-tech (which I’d hesitate to call an “edge rusher” in a 3-4). He’s definitely used more as a chess piece than Donald is this season. For the sake of comparisons to Donald, I don’t think a 5-tech has any significant pass rushing advantages to a 3-tech. Edited December 4, 2018 by Yin-Yang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Watt played all over, especially in 2014 although I’d say predominantly as a 5-tech (which I’d hesitate to call an “edge rusher” in a 3-4). He’s definitely used more as a chess piece than Donald is this season. For the sake of comparisons to Donald, I don’t think a 5-tech has any significant pass rushing advantages to a 3-tech. There are, especially with Wade scheming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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