SilverNBlackFan Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Darbsk said: I'm not sold on Jackson either, is he just a flash in the pan ala RG III or is he a genuine, long term QB in this league? He played superbly last year but so did Carr in 2016 and its very easy to fall off from the season he had. The improvements Jackson made as a passer last year shows me he's a long term QB in this league. Kid didn't just rely on his athletic gifts ala RG3 or Kap. He put the work in and was deadly as a pocket passer. Only question is if his style of play is sustainable. Even if it isn't - he's a better QB then Derek Carr is today and it shouldn't even be a question. Jackson beat more playoff teams (5)in his first year starting then Derek Carr (4) has beaten in his entire career. Like cmon man. Ask this question anywhere outside of this forum expect to be ridiculed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 8 hours ago, BayRaider said: Twitter was polled to rank the 32 Starting QBs in the NFL. Carr ended up #23. Sure, it’s just a social media platform, and a lot of Twitter is casual fans, but that’s about in-line of what Non-Raider Fans think of Carr. Yet you rank him in the 20’s in this subforum, which is a fair ranking (20-21 for me) you get some really offended posters who think it’s a hate post. This will be Carrs Third Make of Break Year in a row, and his final one imo. He needs to ball out of control to stay. Which I hope he does, because I don’t wanna use draft capital on a QB. Although just like Joyner, I’m definitely not expecting it. At least this year, he has another QB threatening him if he has a wild 4-5 game subpar streak. I'd personally rank him around 17 Mahomes Russ Rodgers Watson Brees Brady Jackson Big Ben Matt Ryan Stafford Wentz Dak Cousins Garropolo Goff Tannehill Carr Rivers Darnold Mayfield Josh Allen Teddy B Trubisky/Foles (Too young to rank atm) Drew Lock Kyler Murray Minshew Daniel Jones Haskins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, SilverNBlackFan said: I'd personally rank him around 17 Mahomes Russ Rodgers Watson Brees Brady Jackson Big Ben Matt Ryan Stafford Wentz Dak Cousins Garropolo Goff Tannehill Carr Rivers Darnold Mayfield Josh Allen Teddy B Trubisky/Foles (Too young to rank atm) Drew Lock Kyler Murray Minshew Daniel Jones Haskins Of those 16 you have ranked ahead of Carr which of those Qb's would you rather start a franchise with? Brady, Brees wouldn't be on that list because they're 40. Also of those 16 you have ranked ahead of Carr many are debatable and all have a much better supporting cast. Tannehill, Goff, Jimmy G, Cousins, Wentz,, Dak, Ryan, Stafford and Jackson are debatable. If you put those QB's on the Raiders last year with their trash roster I would find it hard to believe they would preform any better than Carr did. Edited April 13, 2020 by Frankie2Gunz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Of those 17 you have ranked ahead of Carr which of those Qb's would you rather start a franchise with? Brady, Brees wouldn't be on that list because they're 40. Also of those 16 you have ranked ahead of Carr many are debatable and all have a much better supporting cast. Tannehill, Goff, Jimmy G, Cousins, Wentz,, Dak, Ryan, Stafford and Jackson are debatable. If you put those QB's on the Raiders last year with their trash roster I would find it hard to believe they would preform any better than Carr did. 🤐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) If you know you know lmfao Edited April 13, 2020 by agarcia34 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 hours ago, SilverNBlackFan said: The improvements Jackson made as a passer last year shows me he's a long term QB in this league. Kid didn't just rely on his athletic gifts ala RG3 or Kap. He put the work in and was deadly as a pocket passer. Only question is if his style of play is sustainable. Even if it isn't - he's a better QB then Derek Carr is today and it shouldn't even be a question. Jackson beat more playoff teams (5)in his first year starting then Derek Carr (4) has beaten in his entire career. Like cmon man. Ask this question anywhere outside of this forum expect to be ridiculed. I think you missed the point, in no way shape or form would i argue 2019 Carr is better than 2019 Jackson. Jackson improved hugely as a passer agreed and is a great player, I was responding to BP's post and positing the thought that moving forward is a predominantly running QB going to be able to sustain near that level of play or will he like so many before get found out. I'm not sold he will be able to sustain the Pro Bowl level if play. I'm not sure Carr will be able to raise his play back up to 2016 levels either but I'd like to give him a chance with a quality supporting cast. To make it absolutely clear, I don't think Carr is as good as Jackson right now, I rate Carr right in the middle of the QB pack with the potential to play at a Pro Bowl level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, Darbsk said: I think you missed the point, in no way shape or form would i argue 2019 Carr is better than 2019 Jackson. Jackson improved hugely as a passer agreed and is a great player, I was responding to BP's post and positing the thought that moving forward is a predominantly running QB going to be able to sustain near that level of play or will he like so many before get found out. I'm not sold he will be able to sustain the Pro Bowl level if play. I'm not sure Carr will be able to raise his play back up to 2016 levels either but I'd like to give him a chance with a quality supporting cast. To make it absolutely clear, I don't think Carr is as good as Jackson right now, I rate Carr right in the middle of the QB pack with the potential to play at a Pro Bowl level. Let us all remind ourselves of the fact that Drew Brees didn't really break out until his 8th year in the league and his 3rd year with the Saints. I have faith (blind, scared, dwindling hope). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Jerry said: Let us all remind ourselves of the fact that Drew Brees didn't really break out until his 8th year in the league and his 3rd year with the Saints. I have faith (blind, scared, dwindling hope). It's really all about this year. He should have the continuity and talent that he's lacked. The metrics say he played like a top 10 qb last year. I say he played more like a slightly above average one, but I think his lack of trust in the ragtag guys once AB left definitely put a dent in our season. If he doesn't play well, we can put in Mariota or look to move on. But personally, I think he explodes with the addition of a WR1 and puts that conversation to bed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 FR. QBS don't peak until their 30s, once they seen it all and can pick apart defenses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Mike Mayock is talking live on facebook and should be same link to rewatch later: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 On 4/13/2020 at 6:55 AM, SilverNBlackFan said: I'd personally rank him around 17 Mahomes Russ Rodgers Watson Brees Brady Jackson Big Ben Matt Ryan Stafford Wentz Dak Cousins Garropolo Goff Tannehill Carr Rivers Darnold Mayfield Josh Allen Teddy B Trubisky/Foles (Too young to rank atm) Drew Lock Kyler Murray Minshew Daniel Jones Haskins Wow what a liar and lowballing DC. Easily put him above Dak and in there between Ryan and Wentz. Rodgers, Ben, and Brady on the way down. If you include Brees who is in his 40s, DC a top 5- 8 in value for the QB position, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SilverNBlackFan Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: Wow what a liar and lowballing DC. Easily put him above Dak and in there between Ryan and Wentz. Rodgers, Ben, and Brady on the way down. If you include Brees who is in his 40s, DC a top 5- 8 in value for the QB position, All the QBs ive listed above DC have either gotten their teams to the playoffs multiple times, have played in and won big games. Sorry i cant put DC and his pretty completion percentage over them when he has won only four games against playoff teams in his career - two of those coming against the great Brock Osweiler and one against our current backup Mariota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Frankie2Gunz Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 9:45 PM, SilverNBlackFan said: All the QBs ive listed above DC have either gotten their teams to the playoffs multiple times, have played in and won big games. Sorry i cant put DC and his pretty completion percentage over them when he has won only four games against playoff teams in his career - two of those coming against the great Brock Osweiler and one against our current backup Mariota. If playoff success is your metric for being a good QB do you rank QB's like Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson ahead of Dan Marino? Is Eli Manning and his 2 SB victories a better QB than Brees or Rogers who have 1 each? You do realize playoff wins or appearances is not a metric for evaluating a QB success, after all football is a team game last time I checked and the Raiders have had terrible teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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