packers selcet mAtt leFleUr as head coah

[Packerraymond]

39 minutes ago, Slinky said:

Screw Mac. Wasting years of Aaron's career. Aaron (and others) had EVERY reason to be upset with Mac's garbage, vanilla offenses.

https://t.co/ZPa6Fylbcv

Screw Aaron too for wasting years of his own career, he's 50% responsible for our offensive struggles.

[Chili]

If the Schefter story turns out to be true then there's a few scenarios I could see how that it could've happened. There's absolutely no way that Murphy and Gute would contact Schefter before they contacted LaFleur. That makes zero sense.

1. The front office let Rodgers know that they were going to hire LaFleur and Rodgers or his agent leaked it to Schefter. But then again If Rodgers did leak it why did he not leak it to James Jones?

2. LaFleur's agent caught wind of the Packers contacting candidates to turn them down for the job and he contacted Schefter to verify the rumors?

3. or It is as Schefter says...he caught wind of the Packers contacting candidates and joined the dots together himself.

 

Its the NFL, everybody is connected to everybody. It's impossible to stop a leak. I don't think this story is a big deal tbh.

Edited January 28, 2019 by Chili

[Norm]

6 hours ago, {Family Ghost} said:

I don't know about the Schefter story .. seems too goofy to think the Packers would tell everyone they are out before telling LaFleur that he is their choice.  Completely backwards way of doing things.

It's not real. He just wasn't going to admit it to Adam, yet. Why the **** would he take Adam's call anyways...

Edited January 29, 2019 by Norm

[Slinky]

2 hours ago, Packerraymond said:

Screw Aaron too for wasting years of his own career, he's 50% responsible for our offensive struggles.

LOL, nah. 

[incognito_man]

4 hours ago, {Family Ghost} said:

I don't know about the Schefter story .. seems too goofy to think the Packers would tell everyone they are out before telling LaFleur that he is their choice.  Completely backwards way of doing things.

Of course it is; you don't tell everyone they're out before you have someone actually accept the position.

Schefter forgot that bit of logic in his self-promoting story 

[AlexGreen#20]

1 hour ago, Slinky said:

LOL, nah. 

Compelling

[AlexGreen#20]

Got a chance to talk with a former Packer sorta out of the blue today, and was kinda shocked by some of what I was told. Not exact quotes, no phones so no recorder, and my notes were ****, but here's the gist:

• “You got to understand, even in the locker room, everybody always kinda had the question, how much of the winning was Aaron vs how much was Coach? Then Aaron went down, and it was like, “Wow, this team sucks!” You can bet Aaron saw that. Then the Eagles won it all with Nick and the Vikings were alright with Keenum and that raised a lot of questions, not just with Aaron, but with everyone.”
• “If we were losing and Brett [Hundley]  was playing alright, that would have been one thing, but Brett wasn’t ready, dude wasn’t there. The guy was so lost, he didn’t know what he needed to get. He wasn’t getting it, like obviously not getting it. Even the defensive guys knew it. It would take him like five minutes to call the plays in practice and that was with Jordy [Nelson] or Corey [Linsley] coaching him through it. We’d just be standing there on the practice field, waiting for them to figure it out and it felt like forever. We’d be looking at each other and you could just kinda see in guy’s eyes, nobody believed we had a shot with that guy,”
• “Like, we’d be in meetings, and coach VP (Alex Van Pelt) would ask a question about a tendency or adjustment or something and he’d just laugh nervously cause he didn’t know. That’s a third year guy, not knowing basic ****, man. That only happens at QB. Aaron and Joe [Callahan] were trying to help him out but the dude just wasn’t getting it at all.”
• “That’s supposed to be Coach Mike’s specialty is QBs, man. And the offense didn’t really change. The playbook got cut down, but the plays being called were still the same. It didn’t make any sense, Brett and Aaron aren’t the same guy, know what I mean? Harbaugh made it work with Lamar with this year, they just ran a bunch of RPOs and QB keeps and Reads and stuff like that. We didn’t do none of that.”
• “You look at what McVay is doing in LA getting his guys the ball, or how Andy Reid has Mahomes playing like an MVP. Those guys aren’t better than Aaron, they’re just running better plays. Green Bay was like that back when they were rolling, but I think they lost their edge and stopped adjusting, everybody was feeling that.”
• "I like Coach Mike, I think he's a good guy, but Aaron and the vets were kinda doing their own thing, and the rookies weren't buying in like they needed to, especially on defense, especially last year. It just wasn't working out. "

Quick Hitters:

• Said that Murphy was basically running the transition, down to the vetoing of certain assistants. Rumor was that LaFleur was down with bringing in Rizzi before Murphy nixed it. Obviously couldn't confirm it, but that's what he'd heard.
• Talked a bit about how the position coaches were really bad here: 
  • Basically said Edgar Bennett was a joke of an OC and was only hired because guys upstairs liked him from his playing days and he had no business being anything but a RB coach. Basically brought McCarthy coffee and tried to be a rah-rah guy. Borderline useless.
  •  Said that a lot of the under level guys were kept around as like apprentices rather than guys who knew anything about the positions they were teaching, AVP and Raih as O-Line assistant in back to back years, Bennett as WR coach,  Zook as ST Coordinator.
  • Basically said Zook was a joke, that he didn't really have any experience with the specialists and what he was running was outdated. Also said nobody liked him, and he really didn't like anybody. Seemed like he was just there to be a babysitter. Was genuinely surprised when I mentioned that Zook had been a ST coordinator before.
• Rumor among the players was that AVP and Rodgers tried to strong arm McCarthy into giving AVP the coordinator role and McCarthy balked at the ultimatum. Bennett left because he was pissed at getting demoted, AVP left because he was mad about not getting it. That partially held up Rodgers signing his deal.  Philbin slotting into the OC role was a compromise.
• Apparently EQ chucked a ball at Rodgers during practice and yelled at him because he was getting conflicting orders from Raih and Rodgers on how to run a route. Ended up pretty much getting knocked over by Byron Bell and eventually was asked to leave practice when they were separated. Said there was more drama between those groups that he had only heard rumors about because he wasn't in those meetings
• Guys on the team really like Graham, he earned a lot of respect for playing hurt. He's a professional.
• Even Jamaal Williams doesn't know why Jamaal Williams was getting the snaps he was in the middle of the season. 
• Nobody was more surprised than his teammates about Fackrell getting double digit sacks, though everybody was extremely supportive.
• Said he loved the defense and everything Pettine was doing.
• Said it was obvious from day 1 in camp that Perry wasn't gonna be useful this season, was kinda limping from the start, everybody thought it was just a sprained ankle and he'd be fine. Apparently it never got better. 
• Said that the writing was on the wall for McCarthy at the beginning of the year and that almost everybody wanted to play hard for him knowing he was gone if they didn't go deep in the playoffs. Said he couldn't name names, but that it was pretty obvious who the exceptions were. [I believe HHCD] but I sorta just laughed along with him on this one.

 

Take with a large grain of salt

Edited January 29, 2019 by AlexGreen#20

[Leader]

Good post AG. And therein lies your "complacency" comment. Not that it was actual complacency - but that puts a better public face on "the rot had to be cut out"

[deathstar]

Thanks for the info. A lot of things to think about. I don’t know if I’d believe a former player about the Murphy stuff, but the anecdotes are very telling. Seeing how the Eagles handled Wentz going down vs how we handled Rodgers is probably the #1 reason MM is gone. 

[AlexGreen#20]

6 minutes ago, deathstar said:

Thanks for the info. A lot of things to think about. I don’t know if I’d believe a former player about the Murphy stuff, but the anecdotes are very telling. Seeing how the Eagles handled Wentz going down vs how we handled Rodgers is probably the #1 reason MM is gone. 

I was skeptical about that part myself. It basically got brushed off as water cooler talk, basically Player A's agent has the same agent as Rizzi, and the agent told the player this. This player told that player what he'd hear from the agent, etc.

With that said, I actually do believe that Murphy's involved in the day to day stuff at this point. I've heard it from a couple of places, including a few guys on here, and it fits the pattern of what CEOs do. When they feel like something failed that they weren't involved with, their first response is to immediately take control and begin to mandate and control, for better or for worse. 

[Slinky]

2 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Compelling

Thanks.

[Slinky]

1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

 

• Said that Murphy was basically running the transition, down to the vetoing of certain assistants.

Which is what I've been saying all along. So, "BOOM" to all you who talked trash. 

Jerry Jones 2.0. Get rid of this guy, now.

Edited January 29, 2019 by Slinky

[Norm]

1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

that almost everybody wanted to play hard for him knowing he was gone if they didn't go deep in the playoffs.

So most everyone wanted him to stay? 

[AlexGreen#20]

2 minutes ago, Norm said:

So most everyone wanted him to stay? 

In week 1 it sounds like the vets did, with the possible exception of HHCD and Rodgers. No read on the rookies.

Sounds like as the year went on, things kinda spiraled out of hand. 

[Leader]

8 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Sounds like as the year went on, things kinda spiraled out of hand. 

Thats how it reads too.