titans0021 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 This is pretty easy for me. I'm not sure that Wentz will actually turn out to be better than Kizer, so given the Browns also have eight other players and another first round pick, I'll take the Browns haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcanadian Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 3 hours ago, mistakey said: Most of those rookies are possible starters and not much more. Time will tell who won the trade, but until Cleveland finds a franchise QB, they are doomed to last place and who knows how many years it will be before they are even competitive. My money is on Wentz, but he still has to prove he is a solid franchise QB, but if he is, Cleveland is left in his dust awaiting a savior and it has been known to take even more than a decade to find a great one. Cleveland broke the Golden Rule long held in the NFL, 'that you never pass on a potential franchise QB if you need one and have the opportunity to draft one.' They are just too hard to find. Cleveland has tried 2 late first rounders and now a high second rounder, where the odds are about 6% that he will become a true franchise QB. If you like those odds then Cleveland won the trade, but for myself, I'd say 6% is just not the way to go. As a Cleveland fan, I am not happy with the trade, as I prefer to use a lot higher odds if I expect to find a true franchise QB. Cleveland might as well tried drafting a QB in round 6 where NE found Brady, it just isn't a solid foundation for finding a solid franchise QB. 3 hours ago, mistakey said: its obviously not over (HOU 1st round pick and PHI 2nd round pick in play) but we can start to determine whether or not it was worth it for Cleveland. I say obviously yes. Just wondering what NFLG thinks. Starters gained: Corey Coleman Shon Coleman Deshone Kizer Derrick Kindred Jabrill Peppers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted August 31, 2017 Author Share Posted August 31, 2017 5 hours ago, RedRider said: Wentz. I think he will be a top 10 QB most of his career. Corey Coleman is alright, but I'm not a fan of spending first rounders on receivers. Kizer and Peppers could be good, but I don't think either will turn out, Jim. The aqcuisition of 2018 1st and 2nd are good. The rest are JAGs. so to (over)simplify, it's essentially Coleman/1st and 2nd with a long shot in Kiner's and Peppers VS Wentz. I'll definitely take Wentz. i think shon coleman is gonna be a pretty good right tackle. maybe a 1 time pro bowler. i dont think he's another jag. i highly disagree about peppers. i think he's going to be absolutely wonderful. if not in the field (which he's already shown to be a better safety than anyone we've had since TJ ward), certainly in the return game. c coleman and kizer are tied together for sure. kindred we'll see. he could be a jag, could be an avg starter. i think the wentz people could be entirely correct. i'm not of the belief, but i'll prob end up asking again mid season, then post season then post draft next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 7 hours ago, mistakey said: carson wentz is a week 1 starter second year player... Never said he wasn't? I said it's too early. That applies to Wentz too. But it wasn't a thread that said Wentz is a starting QB so the Eagles won. It was a thread saying the Browns have gotten 5 starters so far so you think they've won. I'm not going to counter a point not being made. I was countering your implication that the 5 starters means they've had a worthwhile haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 "Too early" is the only answer right now, but projection wise, I would take the Browns haul....not because I dislike Wentz or love the Browns haul (especially since the Browns have yet to prove they can draft well in the first round), but I personally believe Wentz will be in the same breath as a guy like Ryan Tannehill, who believe is merely an average starting QB....so unless the Browns completely blow all of these picks (which isnt completely out of the realm of possibility)....I like their haul better. I believe Corey Coleman will be pretty good, and the ammo they have next year should allow them to get any of the QBs they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Wentz and not close imo. Although I'm really high on Coleman. Wentz is Top 10 QB Potential. That alone is worth what was given up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjapirate Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I think this is kind of a dumb way to look at the trade. The eagles probably wouldn't have traded down that much if they kept those picks. So shouldn't really count against them in making the first trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 The haul. I like Wentz more than Watson. But I like Watson enough to take Conklin, Coleman, and the draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjapirate Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, DontTazeMeBro said: The haul. I like Wentz more than Watson. But I like Watson enough to take Conklin, Coleman, and the draft picks. I thought the titans drafted Conklin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltarich87 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 8 hours ago, titans0021 said: This is pretty easy for me. I'm not sure that Wentz will actually turn out to be better than Kizer, so given the Browns also have eight other players and another first round pick, I'll take the Browns haul. Same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, ninjapirate said: I thought the titans drafted Conklin. I looked at every player whose name appeared on the chart. If it's just the players the browns got I choose Wentz without thinking twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe56 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Too early. If Wentz becomes another Roethlisberger, that haul it trash comparatively and if Wentz is just kind of average, like a Bradford, prob lost the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Slim Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 obviously as almost everyone else has said it's too early to tell but with my personal opinion on wentz and my personal opinion on the rooks in cleveland i'll take the haul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle21121 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Cleveland did a fantastic job on this. Major props to that front office to manage the draft this way it sets them up for a much brighter future much sooner, however, that being said I'd probably take Wentz still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Going with the haul on this 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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