LETSGOBROWNIES Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 hours ago, candyman93 said: It’s also incredibly optimistic to think 3rd rounders will contribute to this team. Since we’ve been back here are the only 3rd rounders we’ve drafted that contributed to this team: Duke Johnson Christian Kirksey Larry Ogunjobi 2/3 were / are injury prone and then there’s Larry. Using our previous failures isn’t a good road to go down. Using that logic there literally nothing we should expect to be successful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, candyman93 said: It’s also incredibly optimistic to think 3rd rounders will contribute to this team. Since we’ve been back here are the only 3rd rounders we’ve drafted that contributed to this team: Duke Johnson Christian Kirksey Larry Ogunjobi 2/3 were / are injury prone and then there’s Larry. Colt McCoy was a solid 3rd rd pick. McCutcheon was prolly the best 3rd rd pick the Browns have had since the return. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Using our previous failures isn’t a good road to go down. Using that logic there literally nothing we should expect to be successful. We could go by the entire league, but that’s obviously even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, candyman93 said: We could go by the entire league, but that’s obviously even worse. Is there a large sample size of 37 year old injury prone tackles to compare those numbers against? Like, is there even a handful of examples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Is there a large sample size of 37 year old injury prone tackles to compare those numbers against? Like, is there even a handful of examples? If you want modern era: Walter Jones, Andrew Whitworth, and Jason Peters. If you want total, there’s more. It’s not crazy that a LT can play at a high level for that long. However, if you think he will retire before that age, then that’s a very real possibility. Edited March 9, 2020 by candyman93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, candyman93 said: If you want modern era: Walter Jones, Andrew Whitworth, and Jason Peters. If you want total, there’s more. Jones and Whitworth didn’t have injury issues. They rarely missed a game. 1 hour ago, candyman93 said: It’s not crazy that a LT can play at a high level for that long. crazy? No. To act as though it’s reasonable to assume he (or anyone) will? Yes. 1 hour ago, candyman93 said: However, if you think he will retire before that age, then that’s a very real possibility. I mean, we don’t know if he can even pass a physical right now. These are the type of moves that look good in Madden, but the super team concept never works in reality. Draft, develop, resign the key pieces, repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Using our previous failures isn’t a good road to go down. Using that logic there literally nothing we should expect to be successful. To be honest i do not think we shpuld expect success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Mind Character said: Though I'm tempted to gamble on Mekhi Becton's upside, if it's not Jedrick Wills, the Browns should absolutely trade down multiple times creating an insane amount of assets for the present and future drafts as we have more roster holes than anyone realizes and it's going to take Andrew Berry type and draft capital to stabilize the roster. Andrew Thomas is not a scheme-fit. Tristan Wirfs is a Guard and has Mentality concerns. That leaves just Jedrick Wills and Me hi Becton. Wills' imo is the only sure thing and is going to be an All-Pro. Becton can be and if Berry makes that pick it makes some sense taking that gamble, but ultimately I'd rather trade down and target the pairing of Robert Hunt, OG/OT Louisiana Lafayette and Austin Jackson, LT USC, along with other non-OT prospects. Coming out of the combine there's also talk that the Browns love love Kenneth Murray, LB Oklahoma. Assuming that's the case it makes for some interesting late-round 1 scenarios if we trade down and then trade back into the 1st with some 2nd rounders in order to have multiple 1st round picks. As it stands, I'm all in on only these scenarios: 1.) Draft Jedrick WIlls Jr., OT Alabama either via Trade Up or at 10. 2.) Trade Down Numerous Times Creating Tons of Present and Future Draft Capital (Target the Pairing of Robert Hunt, OG/OT Louisiana-Lafayette with either Austin Jackson, LT USC, Jack Driscoll, OT Auburn, or Prince Tega-Wanogho, OT Auburn. (In this scenario, it's going to be vital to have either traded a 3rd rounder for Trent Williams and/or signed Jack Conklin via free agency even though I don't really believe in Conklin he is a starting Tackle. 3.) A Distant 3rd Option -- Draft Mekhi Bect, OT Louisville at 10 4.) Draft CeeDee Lamb at 10 and prepare to move Landry and Beckham. 5.) Draft Derrick Brown at 10. My Final Pre-Free Agency Mock Off-Season: Principal Cuts / Let Walks ( $ 38.37 Million in Salary Cap Savings) 1.) Olivier Vernon, DE (15 Mil Cap Savings) 2.) Joe Schobert, LB (Expired Contract; No Resign Could be 14mil+ Savings/Yr) 3.) Christian Kirksey, LB (10 Mil Cap Savings; 2 Mil Dead Cap Hit; 8 Mil Net) 4.) Morgan Burnett, SS (4.8 Mil Cap Savings; 1.3 Mil Dead Cap Hit; 3.5 Mil Net) 5.) Chris Hubbard, RT (7.2 Mil Cap Savings; 2.4 Mil Dead Cap Hit; 4.8 Mil Net) 6.) Damarious Randall, FS (Expired Contract) 7.) Eric Murray, NS/SS (Expired Contract) 8.) Rashard Higgins, WR (Expired Contract) 9.) Stephen Carlson, TE (ERA, 585K Cap Savings) 10.) Dontrell Hilliard, RB (Expired Contract) 11.) Justin McCary, RG (Expired Contract) 12.) Drew Stanton (Expired Contract) 13.) Garrett Gilbert, QB (785K Cap Savings; 37K Dead Cap Hit) Principal Free Agent Signings (Numbers Based on Spotrac Market Value) 1.) Jack Conklin, RT - 4 years; 70 Mil; 40 Mil GTD; Contract Out after Year 3 (I'm not a fan but a lot of reports suggests we're going to sign him) 2.) Anthony Harris, FS/SS - 3 years; 38 Mil; 19 Mil GTD; Contract Out after Year 2 3.) Halapoulivaati Vaitai, LT - 3 years; 40 Mil; 28 Mil GTD; Conract Out after Year 2 4.) Clayton Geathers, SS/NS - 4 years; 30 Mil; 14 Mil GTD; Contract Out after Year 2 5.) Case Keenum, QB - 2 years; 8 Mil; 3 Mil GTD 6) Vernon Butler, NT/DT - 3 years; 30 Mil; 15 Mil GTD; Contract Out after Year 2 7.) PJ Walker, QB - 3 years; 10 Mil; 3 Mil GTD 8.) Ronald Blair, DE - 2 years; 18 Mil; 9 Mil GTD; Contract Out after Year 1 9.) Carl Nassib - 2 years; 18 Mil; 9 Mil GTD; Contract Out after Year 1 10.) Kareem Hunt, RB - 3rd Round Tender 11.) KhaDarel Hodge, WR - ERFA Small Contract 12.) Ricky Seals-Jones, TE - Original Round Tender Aggressive Multiple Trade-Down; Build Roster & Accumulate Future Capital; 2nd Round Value Mock Browns Trades Summary: 1.) Trade 1: Trade Down from 10th to 13th receive a 2nd and 5th this year and a future 3nd round pick. 2.) Trade 2: Trade Down from 13th to 18th receive a 2nd this year and a future 2nd round pick. 3.) Trade 3: Trade Down from 18th to 30th receive a 2nd this year and a future 2nd and 4th round pick Picks Gained this year: 2nd; 2nd; 2nd; 5th... Picks Gained in future drafts: 2nd; 2nd; 3rd; 4th. Foreshadowed Moves Next Off-Season: Trading OBJ and Jarvis Landry for draft selections The Build the team mock 1). Kenneth Murray, LB Oklahoma 2.) Denzel Mims, WR Baylor 2.) Cole Kmet, TE Notre Dame 2.) Antoine Winfield Jr., SS Minnesota 2.) Laviska Shenault, Jr., WR Colorado 3.) Robert Hunt, OG/OT Louisiana-Lafayette 3.) Willie Gay Jr., LB Miss. St. 4.) Jack Driscoll, RT Auburn // Prince Tega-Wanogho, LT Auburn 5.) Daishawn Dixon, OG San Diego St. 6.) Zack Moss, RB Utah // Rico Dowdle, RB South Carolina 7.) Reggie Robinson II, CB/FS Tulsa 7.) Joe Reed, WR/KR/PR Virginia Prospective 53-60 Roster: Offense (25): Quarterbacks (3): QB: Baker Mayfield // Case Keenum // PJ Walker Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Running Backs (3): RB: Nick Chubb // Kareem Hunt // Zack Moss Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Fullback (1): FB: Johnny Stanton Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Wide Receivers (?): WR1: Odell Beckham Jr. // Taywon Taylor WR2: Denzel Mims // KhaDarel Hodge Slot-WR: Jarvis Landry // Laviska Shenault // Joe Reed Practice Squad: N/A ----------- Tight Ends (?): TE: Cole Kmet // David Njoku // Ricky Seals-Jones // UDFA/Vet-Blocking TE Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Offensive Linemen (?): LT: Halapoulivaati Vaitai // (Robert Hunt) LG: Joel Bitonio // Daishawn Dixon C: JC Tretter // Willie Wright RG: Robert Hunt // Drew Forbes // Wyatt Teller RT: Jack Conklin // Jack Driscoll // Kendall Lamm Practice Squad: Malcolm Pridgeon ------------------------- Defense (25): Defensive linemen (?): DE: Myles Garrett // // Chad Thomas NT: Vernon Butler // Daniel Ekuale DT: Larry Ogunjobi // Sheldon Richardson DE: Carl Nassib // Ronald Blair Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Linebackers (?): SLB: Sione Takitaki // Tae Davis MLB: Kenneth Murray // Jermaine Grace WLB: Willie Gay Jr. // Mack Wilson // Willie Harvey Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Corner Backs (5): CB: Denzel Ward // Reggie Robinson II // Donnie Lewis Jr. CB: Greedy Wiilliams // Tavierre Thomas NCB/NS: Terrance Mitchell // (Antoine Winfied Jr.) Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Safeties (5): FS: Anthony Harris // Sheldrick Redwine SS: Clayton Geathers // Antoine Winfield Jr. Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Specialists (3): Kicker (1): Austin Seibert Punter (1): Jamie Gillan Long snapper (1): Charley Hughlett -------------------------------------------------------------- Edited March 9, 2020 by Mind Character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 @Mind Character you gotta be smoking a lot of ganja my brother 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) Kareem Hunt gets snatched up for a 3rd imo. Id tender hom at a 2nd and offer him two years 14 million. Edited March 9, 2020 by Kiwibrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pnies20 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 35 minutes ago, House1375 said: He was in my last mock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 41 minutes ago, House1375 said: Wilsoland @Bonanza23? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza23 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, NudeTayne said: Wilsoland @Bonanza23? Logan Wilson’s future Browns contract terminated effective immediately for bad nickname. Would however accept WilWorkSon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HH650 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 A Serious Question. What is the Minumum we will accept from our new Tackles in 2020? Slightly better than last year's trash? Better protection for Baker and run blocking be damned? Just above average and upgrade the right guard? One much better tackle and a little better stiff for the other side? Point is I don't see how we can fix both sides without leaving bad roster holes elsewhere Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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