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GDT Week 3; Browns VS Rams

Kiwibrown

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  1. 1. Polls are....

  2. 2. Who wins

    • Browns by 3+
      9
    • Rams by 3+
      4
    • Baker and the boys by 7+
      8
    • Sean McVay and the Rams by 7+
      13

  3. 3. This week the browns

    • crap the bed
      10
    • play better
      6
    • Freddie improves
      5
    • Baker looks HAWT
      5
    • under 10 penalties
      2
    • finally get an INT
      2
    • Chubb takes over from Gurley best powerback in the league
      4

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jrry32

jrry32

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7 hours ago, candyman93 said:

Prediction: Baker will have a great game. Just a gut feeling that the pissed off short dude makes his appearance.

Well, there will be a PO'd short dude on the other side of the ball staring Baker down. I expect you're hoping he doesn't make his appearance. ;)

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Don Roshi

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We can win this through Chubb and our d-line. Not going to be easy, but it's possible.

11 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

I don't think we should trade for Jalen Ramsey because we already have Denzel Ward and Greedy Williams....

Two 1st rounders for a non-QB isn't a smart play imo. It would complicate making/keeping the rest of our roster competitive for the next 5-6 years.

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Mind Character

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40 minutes ago, Don Roshi said:

We can win this through Chubb and our d-line. Not going to be easy, but it's possible.

Two 1st rounders for a non-QB isn't a smart play imo. It would complicate making/keeping the rest of our roster competitive for the next 5-6 years.

Go to past drafts over the last 5 years (http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2018&round=round1#round1 ).  Take a look at the players selected 25th to 32nd. Then look at the first 10 picks of the 2nd round players as well (likely where we'd end up in trade down scenarios). Assume that we'll draft better than most but still miss at times. What you'll see (even if you look at our selections of players like Corbett) far more often than not are players that aren't even close to what Jalen Ramsey is. 

Late 1st round picks in Theory are worth so much more than they are in reality. I don't see how trading two 1st (although it likely will cost less) sets this team back 5-6 years. It's possible that in those back to back years we take Offensive Lineman that come in as bookends for years to come. It's also possible that we take Austin Corbett as it's possible we take Nick Chubb or a Greedy Williams type. What I assume is that Dorsey is a great talent evaluator and just like other great evaluators he'll likely have 50% hit rate with 2 late 1st round picks at best. It's just hard for me to see that one players be anything close to a 22 year old arguably Best CB in the league that plays the run and has slot/safety versatility like Jalen Ramsey.

Now, of course the potential is there to take 2 future starts and hit with both picks, but that's not playing the odds and overlooks real historical evidence. 

The best argument for not using 2, 1st rounders to me is in the scenario that we trade down and accumulate more draft capital with those picks. So, in essence we wouldn't be trading 2, 1st rounders, but we'd be giving up the opportunity to have a whole handful of valuable picks.

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Kiwibrown

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26 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

Go to past drafts over the last 5 years (http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2018&round=round1#round1 ).  Take a look at the players selected 25th to 32nd. Then look at the first 10 picks of the 2nd round players as well (likely where we'd end up in trade down scenarios). Assume that we'll draft better than most but still miss at times. What you'll see (even if you look at our selections of players like Corbett) far more often than not are players that aren't even close to what Jalen Ramsey is. 

Late 1st round picks in Theory are worth so much more than they are in reality. I don't see how trading two 1st (although it likely will cost less) sets this team back 5-6 years. It's possible that in those back to back years we take Offensive Lineman that come in as bookends for years to come. It's also possible that we take Austin Corbett as it's possible we take Nick Chubb or a Greedy Williams type. What I assume is that Dorsey is a great talent evaluator and just like other great evaluators he'll likely have 50% hit rate with 2 late 1st round picks at best. It's just hard for me to see that one players be anything close to a 22 year old arguably Best CB in the league that plays the run and has slot/safety versatility like Jalen Ramsey.

Now, of course the potential is there to take 2 future starts and hit with both picks, but that's not playing the odds and overlooks real historical evidence. 

The best argument for not using 2, 1st rounders to me is in the scenario that we trade down and accumulate more draft capital with those picks. So, in essence we wouldn't be trading 2, 1st rounders, but we'd be giving up the opportunity to have a whole handful of valuable picks.

At the rate we are going our 2nd pick might be trwvor lawrence. 

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