1ForTheThumb Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 20 hours ago, wackywabbit said: 1. Football isnt sustainable. How many QBs have already gotten banged up this year? 2. It IS bringing short term success, not COULD. ... this isnt a Jackson thread Murray looks like a potential star, so easily him over Jones. It's not even a debate. The only one who's trying (and failing miserably) to turn into one is a homer giants fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 50 minutes ago, Gmen said: NFL’s next gen stats are pretty damning for Murray’s passing game. %Aggressiveness : 25th in the league Completed air yards : 26th Intended air yards : 30th Average yards to the sticks : 30th Completion percentage above expectation : 24th Basically falls in line with what I see when I watch Murray I’ll spare you with the Wilson and Mahomes comparison because that would be embarrassing, but here is how Daniel Jones stacks up %Aggressiveness : 3rd in the league Completed air yards : 30th Intended air yards : 21st Average yards to the sticks : 17th Completion percentage above expectation : 15th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlNFL19 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I like Kyler to have a better career, but their numbers have been similar so far, just slightly leaning towards Murray: Statistical Comparison Statistic K. Murray D. Jones Winning % 0.32 0.25 Comp. % 64.60% 63% Yards / Game 245.7 220.4 TD% 3.60% 5.10% INT% 1.30% 2.70% TD-INT Ratio 2.8 1.875 ANY/A 5.89 5.1 Sack % 8.20% 9.70% ADoT 7.3 7.6 Bad Throw % 17.90% 17.20% On Target % 74.10% 73.90% Adj. Comp %* 70.95% 67.03% * CMP% excluding spikes, drops, and throwaways I think one of the biggest stats is just their raw INT totals: Murray has 5 in 11 starts; Jones has 8 in 8 starts. I think with his rushing abilities added in to the mix, Murray has a chance to be something really special, but I'm not so sure on Jones. I think he could be a good starter, but I think Murray will have the better career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp0k2 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, AlNFL19 said: I like Kyler to have a better career, but their numbers have been similar so far, just slightly leaning towards Murray: Statistical Comparison Statistic K. Murray D. Jones Winning % 0.32 0.25 Comp. % 64.60% 63% Yards / Game 245.7 220.4 TD% 3.60% 5.10% INT% 1.30% 2.70% TD-INT Ratio 2.8 1.875 ANY/A 5.89 5.1 Sack % 8.20% 9.70% ADoT 7.3 7.6 Bad Throw % 17.90% 17.20% On Target % 74.10% 73.90% Adj. Comp %* 70.95% 67.03% * CMP% excluding spikes, drops, and throwaways I think one of the biggest stats is just their raw INT totals: Murray has 5 in 11 starts; Jones has 8 in 8 starts. I think with his rushing abilities added in to the mix, Murray has a chance to be something really special, but I'm not so sure on Jones. I think he could be a good starter, but I think Murray will have the better career. To add to that, Murray has 2 fumbles in his 11 games (740 snaps) while Jones has 13 in his 8 games (555) snaps. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotun_Fan Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 This would be closer if Jones wasn't a turnover machine. But he is, so it's not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidersedge Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Murray makes those jaw dropping throws. If Arizona builds the team right way he's gonna be a superstar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Watching Aaron Rodgers look like Christian Ponder against the 49ers defense last night made me gain even more respect for Kyler Murray. That kid held his own against that defense and had them on the ropes twice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, SilverNBlackFan said: Watching Aaron Rodgers look like Christian Ponder against the 49ers defense last night made me gain even more respect for Kyler Murray. That kid held his own against that defense and had them on the ropes twice. Yep. Two best QB games against the Niners this year were definitely Kyler Murray. No one else even looked good. Russell Wilson who IMO is the #1 QB in the league and complete stud, had a pretty average game against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 No disrespect but DANIEL Jones hasnt performed anywhere near as good as Jones. And this early on it doesn’t matter! But damm Kyler looks like a baller shot caller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 How can you objectively watch both players and come away thinking Jones has been better? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) Murray looks like a franchise qb while Daniel Jones gives me Jameis Winston vibes.... Edited November 26, 2019 by evilpimp972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 hours ago, evilpimp972 said: Murray looks like a franchise qb while Daniel Jones gives me Jameis Winston vibes.... I’ll take one Mike Evans and Chris Godwin please 🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titwio Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Gmen said: I’ll take one Mike Evans and Chris Godwin please 🙏 Or even any sort of running game. It’s amazing how Daniel Jones is already the best player on his team (this year) as a rookie and people can’t grasp what he has on his plate. Awful OL who tee off on him left and right (literally) and people only point to how he keeps giving up fumbles when defenders run at him unblocked. Jones has his share of costly errors but it’s easy to see how mature he is as a rookie. Very impressive and I’m anxious to see what he can do when he actually has an OL, a hundred yard rusher and maybe a better wide receiver than a rookie 5th rounder. Edited November 26, 2019 by titwio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, titwio said: Or even any sort of running game. It’s amazing how Daniel Jones is already the best player on his team (this year) as a rookie and people can’t grasp what he has on his plate. Awful OL who tee off on him left and right (literally) and people only point to how he keeps giving up fumbles when defenders run at him unblocked. Jones has his share of costly errors but it’s easy to see how mature he is as a rookie. Very impressive and I’m anxious to see what he can do when he actually has an OL, a hundred yard rusher and maybe a better wide receiver than a rookie 5th rounder. Jones is the best player on his team? Hot take lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonChigurh Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 11/21/2019 at 10:32 AM, 1ForTheThumb said: Wrong. What a lazy assumption to make because Murray is also mobile. He has never watched a snap of Murray's play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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