ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 12 hours ago, bigbadbuff said: But what would be impactful in terms of actual punishment? Billionaire owner paying 500k isn’t enough, and a first round pick isn’t as valuable as it is in the other major sports leagues. What is steep enough to stop this in the future, because paying a bunch of fines and winning a World Series out of it is worth it. They could structure the fines so that it's based on each game this occurred, instead of lumping them all together. If this was done consistently, those $500k-$1.5MM fines are going to add up really quickly. That's what the should have done when the Cardinals hacked the Astros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 15 hours ago, Spartica4Real said: The article claims that they stopped doing it in the postseason because the crowds are too loud for it to work. Otherwise I don't think they'd go 0-4 at home and 3-0 on the road in the WS. In 2017 and 2018 the Astros had a better record on the road than at home. This year a better record at home. That's interesting. https://www.12up.com/posts/video-it-seems-the-astros-also-may-have-been-cheating-in-2019-based-on-this-evidence-01dsjh578s75/partners/40030 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Saint Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 14 hours ago, bigbadbuff said: But what would be impactful in terms of actual punishment? Billionaire owner paying 500k isn’t enough, and a first round pick isn’t as valuable as it is in the other major sports leagues. What is steep enough to stop this in the future, because paying a bunch of fines and winning a World Series out of it is worth it. I wonder if they suspend Hinch for a while. It would mirror what the NFL did to Sean Payton for bountygate. Saints also lost draft picks and got fined a significant amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny/Patrick Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 16 hours ago, RuskieTitan said: Wow I can't believe this was true all along. I was told this wasn't true by people from the Houston organization. Death sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskieTitan Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 48 minutes ago, Manny/Patrick said: Death sentence? Absolutely. Anything less would just prove to other teams that cheating to win a World Series is worth the risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animaltested Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 21 hours ago, bigbadbuff said: I mean what can possibly be done by the MLB? A sternly written letter, a 50,000 $ fine, and the loss of a 2024 26th Round Rule 5 Pick, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGK Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Minimum in my opinion: Hinch and Luhnow suspended for a year. And anyone else in the FO or coaching staff they can connect to it. Fines for each game they can find evidence of it happening in. Fines = any postseason bonuses for the organization. (I'm not sure how this would be figured, but they should absolutely lose any money gained off of this and this is the best way to do it I can think of.) Anyone thought about if something/anything should happen to the players who were involved? I mean, none of them blew the whistle while it was happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I'm wondering how deep this goes. Fiers is taking about these behaviors happening when he was there. That's not too much longer after Lunhow arrived and set up his system. How far back should MLB go with this? We know the Lunhow and the Astros value winning over everything else. How much more is there? What about Lunhow's time in St. Louis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Manny/Patrick said: Death sentence? If it was condoned by the front office, absolutely. Senior execs suspended for at least two seasons. 20-30 million MLB payroll penalty (annual) for the next three years Reduction in international bonus pool money. No first round picks for three years. Fines that effectively nullify bonuses/revenue from their WS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 38 minutes ago, Slateman said: I'm wondering how deep this goes. Fiers is taking about these behaviors happening when he was there. That's not too much longer after Lunhow arrived and set up his system. How far back should MLB go with this? We know the Lunhow and the Astros value winning over everything else. How much more is there? What about Lunhow's time in St. Louis? NY Post: On September 15, 2017, MLB announced the Red Sox would be fined an undisclosed amount for utilizing Apple Watches in their dugout to swipe signals from the Yankees; the Yankees paid a smaller undisclosed amount for improper usage of a dugout phone. That day, in a statement, commissioner Rob Manfred disclosed that all teams had been notified of the following: “Future violations of this type will be subject to more serious sanctions, including the possible loss of draft picks.” On Tuesday, The Athletic, quoting 2017 Astros pitcher Mike Fiers, reported that the club utilized a camera positioned in center field and focused on the opposing catcher to steal signals, conveying their findings through the banging of a garbage can in a tunnel connecting the Astros’ dugout to their clubhouse. Retired pitcher Danny Farquhar shared his recollection of a suspicious incident at Minute Maid that occurred that season while he was pitching for the White Sox. Twitter baseball detective @ Jomboy_ subsequently dug up video that substantiated Farquhar's allegations during an at-bat against Houston’s Evan Gattis. That White Sox-Astros game took place on September 21, 2017, six days after MLB made its announcement, therefore seemingly putting the Astros in violation of the reinforced and heightened guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ForTheThumb Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I do laugh at Fiers taking the moral high ground and acting like he's some baseball purist. The guy literally got caught doctoring baseballs when he threw a no-hitter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, 1ForTheThumb said: I do laugh at Fiers taking the moral high ground and acting like he's some baseball purist. The guy literally got caught doctoring baseballs when he threw a no-hitter. Says the pats fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 If Lunhow/Hinch don’t get lengthy suspensions, and the organization HEFTY fines, then I don’t think it’s enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 The only fair solution is to de-age the MLB by 2 years and replay the 2017 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 3 hours ago, 1ForTheThumb said: I do laugh at Fiers taking the moral high ground and acting like he's some baseball purist. The guy literally got caught doctoring baseballs when he threw a no-hitter. His lack of loyalty to Jeff Luhnow shows that he’s part of the Deep State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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