SteelKing728 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 7 hours ago, NJerseypaint said: Both Vick and Plax were out 2-3 years and came back. And I don't think jail has the same amenities Kaep has available to him to keep him in shape. That should not be the norm though. Kaep was regressing before his incident came about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Drained said: Josh Johnson didn't snap a NFL ball for like 7 years and started for the Redskins last season. But he was still in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: He sued them because they were blackballing him............................................. Yeah, people seem to convenient ignore the fact that when there are unions and collective bargaining agreements in place, things like potentially colluding to blackball a member of said union doesn't fly. He had a legitimate case to at least bring up that he was being colluded against. The NFL felt their owners (at least from a PR perspective) had a defensible reason to not employ him, but they had a relatively weak case to definitively show there wasn't colluding to keep him out of the league - largely because they didn't have enough evidence to support their position (i.e. no one ever actually made him an offer of a contract at a reduced rate which he refused - people should look it up, no one actually did that), which is why they ultimately settled out of court with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, SteelKing728 said: But he was still in the league. Technically, no. He was in the AAF at the time the Redskins signed him to backup Sanchez. He'd been cut by the Raiders in May (didn't even make it onto their camp roster), so no, he wasn't still in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) Deleteing Edited November 13, 2019 by BayRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, SteelKing728 said: That should not be the norm though. Kaep was regressing before his incident came about. There's a legitimate case to be made that his "regression" was largely a case of being in Chip's system. Before he was benched for Gaebert (which had nothing to do with his performance and everything to do with the team not wanting to risk him getting injured and being on the hook for his 2017 salary guaranteeing for injury), he had a 59.2% completion percentage, threw for over 2200 yards, 16 TD's to only 4 INT's, and was throwing for a 90+ QB rating on the season... behind a woeful OL outside of Joe Staley. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, BayRaider said: The only speculative part about that entire post is the kneeling reason. Everything else is actual fact statements. He lost 45lbs, tons of muscle mass, and weighed maybe 175 when he showed up to camp. This was after they banned all the substances he was using. He had no explosiveness left and no durability. Weird, because he had one of his statistically best seasons in 2016 for a horrible 49ers team and had a career high in rushing yards per game and average per attempt. Not bad for a non explosive 175 pound guy I guess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 The Bears should be chomping at the bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 7 hours ago, DaveDX said: This is the worst possible move he could make. If he can’t perform at a high level, his overall value decreases. as opposed to what? no one has given him a chance yet, idk why that would change for no reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, The LBC said: There's a legitimate case to be made that his "regression" was largely a case of being in Chip's system. Before he was benched for Gaebert (which had nothing to do with his performance and everything to do with the team not wanting to risk him getting injured and being on the hook for his 2017 salary guaranteeing for injury), he had a 59.2% completion percentage, threw for over 2200 yards, 16 TD's to only 4 INT's, and was throwing for a 90+ QB rating on the season... behind a woeful OL outside of Joe Staley. Great. Inflated touchdown numbers for one season doesn't change the narrative. Colin Kaepernick continued to regress the more he played. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KaepCo00.htm He continuously gets romanticized for reasons beyond football but that doesn't mean that he was actually playing at a high level. Even Blake Bortles and Rex Grossman had good statistical years and took their teams deep into the playoffs. Doesn't change the facts! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, The LBC said: Technically, no. He was in the AAF at the time the Redskins signed him to backup Sanchez. He'd been cut by the Raiders in May (didn't even make it onto their camp roster), so no, he wasn't still in the league. Ah okay. You got me there. But if my math is correct, 7 months is a shorter time period than 3 years and likely doesn't play a large role in whether a player will be signed or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, SteelKing728 said: Great. Inflated touchdown numbers for one season doesn't change the narrative. Colin Kaepernick continued to regress the more he played. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KaepCo00.htm He continuously gets romanticized for reasons beyond football but that doesn't mean that he was actually playing at a high level. Even Blake Bortles and Rex Grossman had good statistical years and took their teams deep into the playoffs. Doesn't change the facts! What's the point of presenting a link as evidence if you're going to make statements that aren't supported by the link you're referencing? Genuine question. Inflated TD numbers? Exactly what are you using to justify that assessment. Just looking at that particular season, his OL was poor - SF was on their 3rd or 4th center midway through the season, Josh Garnett was massively underachieving as a rookie guard. Their receivers were also similarly injured to the point of a veritable Murderer's Row of Rod Streater, DeAndre Smelter, and Jeremy Kerley were the most recognizable names in the corps; going a step further the majority of RB snaps after Hyde went down injured went to Shaun Draughn and Mike Davis. No one is claiming that Kaepernick was some outstanding QB. But he was a serviceable starter who played well enough to take his team to multiple conference championship games and a Super Bowl. But you're talking out your backside if you're trying to defend the likes of MItchell Trubisky, arguably Joe Flacco, and Mike Glennon (who got $15m per to be the presumptive starter in Chicago before they drafted Trubs) are more deserving starters based on performance in the seasons leading up to when they were acquired. Reality is that his later football performance gets hyperbolically ragged on for reasons beyond football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, SteelKing728 said: Great. Inflated touchdown numbers for one season doesn't change the narrative. Colin Kaepernick continued to regress the more he played. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KaepCo00.htm He continuously gets romanticized for reasons beyond football but that doesn't mean that he was actually playing at a high level. Even Blake Bortles and Rex Grossman had good statistical years and took their teams deep into the playoffs. Doesn't change the facts! Are you ignoring the fact that the 49ers regressed? 2015 his coach was Jim Tomsula.....JIM TOMSULA Then he gets fired and he goes 1-10 with 1 year wonder Chip Kelly, and despite being on a 1-10 team, has his 2nd best statistical season in terms of rushing yards per game and TD/INT ratio He also led his team to a Superbowl and almost won it, and if it wasn't for an unbelievable play by Richard Sherman, might have led his team to another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 59 minutes ago, SteelKing728 said: Great. Inflated touchdown numbers for one season doesn't change the narrative. Colin Kaepernick continued to regress the more he played. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KaepCo00.htm He continuously gets romanticized for reasons beyond football but that doesn't mean that he was actually playing at a high level. Even Blake Bortles and Rex Grossman had good statistical years and took their teams deep into the playoffs. Doesn't change the facts! His regression still looks better than Trubisky / Luke Falk / Hoyer / Rudolph / all these bums who start today I'd take it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 I don't really get how this is even supposed to work tbh. Like, the NFL calls up the teams and tells them Kaepernick is gonna do a workout? Which is of interest to all of the teams that haven't uh...already brought the guy in for a workout themselves? Seems like kind of a dog and pony show, trying to make it look like the NFL is really trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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