(Polls) Finalists Set: Choose Your Preferred GM/HC Pairing

[MarkPrice25]

If Urban's health is such a concern that he had to walk away from coaching in college, why would he come to the NFL where the stress level is magnified? Doesn't make sense.

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

24 minutes ago, MarkPrice25 said:

If Urban's health is such a concern that he had to walk away from coaching in college, why would he come to the NFL where the stress level is magnified? Doesn't make sense.

And how long does he last if he does make the jump?

 

[NateDawg]

34 minutes ago, MarkPrice25 said:

If Urban's health is such a concern that he had to walk away from coaching in college, why would he come to the NFL where the stress level is magnified? Doesn't make sense.

Moreso, if he does have heart issues, the Cleveland Browns will certainly do him in.

[pnies20]

15 hours ago, pnies20 said:

If it’s not mcdaniels I’m guessing berry and wolf will be here together.

Meaning if the it’s not mcdaniels, berry will be the GM regardless of who the coach is. 

[big poppa pump]

Jimmy also said in the press conference that Wolf would not be promoted to GM, and when asked about Urban, said he wasn't planning on talking to anyone from the college ranks.

 

For sure it's Wolf and Urban now

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

18 minutes ago, big poppa pump said:

Jimmy also said in the press conference that Wolf would not be promoted to GM, and when asked about Urban, said he wasn't planning on talking to anyone from the college ranks.

 

For sure it's Wolf and Urban now

Other than the dude who declined the interview with his bum arse. 😂 

[big poppa pump]

3 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Other than the dude who declined the interview with his bum arse. 😂 

Oh yea..baylor coach rhule...lol

[Mind Character]

A couple interesting things of note from the Haslam Presser:

1.) Eliot Wolf at this time will not be the GM but will remain in his current role as the Haslam's like his work and how he functions within the organization. 

• Wolf's has deficiencies that limit his ability to operate at a high level with all the functions of a GM, but he is a talented personnel executive and value-add. The Coach will influence the GM decision greatly.

2.) The GM will have final say over the 53 and the Coach will have final say over the 46/47.

• This will help avoid the coach having too much power and is ultimately the right way to structure things.

3.) Both the GM and Coach will report to ownership.

• We're F*cked. The Haslam's encourage in-fighting and they never understand how this element of organizational structure mixed with their propensity to ask questions inevitably leads to back-stabbing especially when things don't go well.

4.) No College Coaches 

• Urban and Rhule both probably told them no. So, they "aren't interested" in college coaches anymore.

[MarkPrice25]

I think so long as the coach and GM have a good relationship it won't matter that they both report to ownership. The problem is that neither side trusted the other before (Pettine-Farmer, Sashi-Hue, Dorsey-Hue)

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

10 minutes ago, MarkPrice25 said:

I think so long as the coach and GM have a good relationship it won't matter that they both report to ownership. The problem is that neither side trusted the other before (Pettine-Farmer, Sashi-Hue, Dorsey-Hue)

They’ll trust each other until things aren’t going as hoped, and then both will want to position the other guy as the idiot.

[MarkPrice25]

23 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

They’ll trust each other until things aren’t going as hoped, and then both will want to position the other guy as the idiot.

But if they both trust each other personally and believe in the process of what they're trying to build (have the same vision) would they?

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

5 minutes ago, MarkPrice25 said:

But if they both trust each other personally and believe in the process of what they're trying to build (have the same vision) would they?

In theory? No.

In practice with this franchise?  Clearly, yes.

[brownie man]

55 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

 

3.) Both the GM and Coach will report to ownership.

• We're F*cked. The Haslam's encourage in-fighting and they never understand how this element of organizational structure mixed with their propensity to ask questions inevitably leads to back-stabbing especially when things don't go well.

 

Yeah the more I think about this one the more it won’t make sense. 
 

how exactly are they doing it in SF?

Does either John or Kyle report to one another?

[Mind Character]

4 minutes ago, brownie man said:

Yeah the more I think about this one the more it won’t make sense. 
 

how exactly are they doing it in SF?

Does either John or Kyle report to one another?

Interestingly enough, I distinctly remember in their opening pressure John Lynch noted that they had it contractually written that they both report to one another. 

Beat writers thought it was odd. Lynch explained that for it to work they had to be accountable to one another. Shanahan affirmed this belief. One can speculate that Shanahan likely saw how back-stabbing worked in Washington and in Cleveland.

There's a buffer layer between them and Jed York as well. At first, it was Martin Mayhew and to a lesser extent Paraag Marathe.

Now, it's Martin Mayhew and Ran Carthon. 

We have no buffer layer reportedly in Cleveland. It will be GM and Head Coach and the next layer is Ownership. Not Paul Depodesta and Not a Sashi Brown or Elliot Wolf.

Here's another difference... the difference between Jed York and the Haslam's. Some owners don't ask questions that provoke political in-fighting and make it clear that they don't welcome that type of back-stabbing. The Haslams heretofore have not been those types of owners.

[Mind Character]

1 hour ago, MarkPrice25 said:

I think so long as the coach and GM have a good relationship it won't matter that they both report to ownership. The problem is that neither side trusted the other before (Pettine-Farmer, Sashi-Hue, Dorsey-Hue)

What about best friends George Kokinis and Eric Mangini?

It's true a starting good relationship matters, but Structure is vitally important and works hand in hand with relationship to prevent power conflict and political in-fighting.