big_palooka Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Loved this paragraph form that article: Quote The bulk of the starting quarterbacks in the NFL are in the workable category. They need a strong supporting cast around them to help them reach their full potential; they need all three phases (offense, defense, special teams) to play well. They appear at times to be an “elite” player, but in reality, the system helps showcase their skills. As a result, these players tend to get paid as though they’re elite, which is a killer for any general manager. (For example, the Rams made Jared Goff a top-five paid player at his position.) Paying the workable quarterback an elite salary has become the norm in the NFL as many teams ask, “how could we find anyone better?” They won’t find anyone better if they never look. Of course, some workable quarterbacks have won Super Bowls, but the general manager and head coach still must know precisely the difference between elite and workable. The Chiefs clearly understood — and never stopped looking. I've always maintained never stop looking. KC is going to win multiple Superbowls with Mahomes at QB. The Raiders need to find better than workable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Guess he beat out Connor cook too my bad forgot about him too Y’all getting worse by the day, need some new material. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 many teams ask, “how could we find anyone better?” They won’t find anyone better if they never look. Bingo!! Mahomes in the AFC West changed everything for every team in that division. Can’t be afraid of change can’t be afraid of drafting a QB. Veach did his homework on Mahomes and believed in him like no other. Do ur homework and take a chance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, Geezy said: Y’all getting worse by the day, need some new material. Ditto mate ditto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: many teams ask, “how could we find anyone better?” They won’t find anyone better if they never look. Bingo!! Mahomes in the AFC West changed everything for every team in that division. Can’t be afraid of change can’t be afraid of drafting a QB. Veach did his homework on Mahomes and believed in him like no other. Do ur homework and take a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Loved this paragraph form that article: I've always maintained never stop looking. KC is going to win multiple Superbowls with Mahomes at QB. The Raiders need to find better than workable. Agreed, but Carr at 20 mil is not being paid elite money anymore. Far from it. if Carr’s contract was up and he was asking for 30+ see ya. but at 20 mil, it gives us a lot of ability to go after FAs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chali21 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Loved this paragraph form that article: I've always maintained never stop looking. KC is going to win multiple Superbowls with Mahomes at QB. The Raiders need to find better than workable. You don’t know that. Historically speaking the elite QBs haven’t won multiple QBs. Steve Young won one by himself, Peyton got 2, Rodgers 1, Stabler 1, Brees 1, Wilson 1. Winning 1 super bowl is hard 2 is even harder. I mean you got guys who luck into 2 like Eli and Plunkett. Mahomes is fantastic and I’m not dumb enough to say he’s going to bust but there are other teams that can rise up especially if Mahomes contract hamstrings KC. Building a team is pretty damn hard to do in this day and age and it’s why the Patriots have won multiple because they had Brady as an advantage a good QB on a cheap contract. FA creates a ton of parity and I’m sure we’ll see that at play as the years go on. Honestly i could see teams trying to stay on rookie QB contracts it gives teams a massive advantage when they can just add talent at other positions and have a loaded team. KC, PHI and SEA all won Super Bowls with loaded teams and good QBs on rookie contracts. Now that PHI and SEA have QBs on their second contracts they haven’t been able to get back to the Super Bowl. I can foresee the same happening to KC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Mahomes also fell into a position where he was drafted onto a playoff caliber roster. All I’m asking is to fill out the roster, as it has some glaring holes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 34 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: Agreed, but Carr at 20 mil is not being paid elite money anymore. Far from it. if Carr’s contract was up and he was asking for 30+ see ya. but at 20 mil, it gives us a lot of ability to go after FAs Exactly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, agarcia34 said: Here’s the full thing from his article in the Athletic Meanwhile the Raiders, for all their messages about loving Carr, have been working behind the scenes to find a replacement. I have written several times about the disconnect between Carr and Raiders head coach Jon Gruden and this quarterback market is too tempting for Gruden to ignore. Carr has trade value, which is why everyone from the Raiders always says beautiful things about his future when speaking publicly. But Carr has no future in Las Vegas and Gruden will do everything in his power to fix the position. Will Brady entertain Vegas? It’s hard for me to see Gruden and Brady co-existing even though both men have a competitive drive. The Raiders’ offensive line would be appealing to Brady, but would he be willing to run the West Coast offense after so many years in his offense? Call me skeptical. —I could see the Raiders making a move for Ryan Tannehill if the Titans do not franchise him. Tannehill would give Gruden the athlete he covets at the position, a player capable of making something out of nothing when the play breaks down. Would Tannehill serve as a good bridge player? Yes, though that’s nothing to get too excited about in the long term, because to beat the Chiefs and Mahomes in the AFC West, Gruden is going to need to find his elite player of the future, not just a bridge. Lombardi takes are legitimate and this makes sense. Gruden is 10-21 on a 100 million contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Lombardi takes are legitimate and this makes sense. Gruden is 10-21 on a 100 million contract I like Tannehill and think he’d be a great fit but I believe he is getting Franchised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: Loved this paragraph form that article: I've always maintained never stop looking. KC is going to win multiple Superbowls with Mahomes at QB. The Raiders need to find better than workable. I agree that you should never stop looking and I can get behind wanting to get better than workable but would getting rid of Carr for Tannehill as suggested be a good move? Is Tannehill better than workable? I can’t see the logic in that move whatsoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Geezy said: I like Tannehill and think he’d be a great fit but I believe he is getting Franchised. yea Titans aren't letting him go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Over nearly the last two decades, The super bowl has been won by teams who have QBs on rookie contracts or a Hall of fame caliber QB at the helm. That's the trend in the current in the NFL and the formula for a super bowl Mahomes is on a rookie contract and is off to a HOF career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I believe you are worse off with Tannhehill at 30+ mil then DC at 20 mil. then there is the learning the new system, which may take time. If the raiders feel the need to move on, I hope it’s in the draft. Hopefully they don’t have to sell a lot of our capital to move up. if they do, so be it, and I will support it, but it’s not what I would do. But I am not a gm or scout so I’ll let my blind faith and trust talk me into being the right move haha 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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