childofpudding Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 15 hours ago, Revel8 said: The numbers are directly from Football Outsiders. It's an OL that's sometimes been good enough for Rodgers, but hasn't been as good as Brady's. Rodgers makes his OLine look better with his pocket presence, footwork, mobility, and ability to manipulate the point of attack. FO's O-line rankings in regards to passpro are questionable. They rely entirely on sacks, which depends on a lot of other factors aside from the OL, such as the quality of the QB, his ability to read the defense pre-snap and adjust passpro, how quickly the QB releases the ball, the type of offense the team runs, etc. If you don't believe me, check out FO's passpro O-line rankings for Indy and Denver with and without Manning. Indy's O-line didn't suddenly go from top 5 to awful in 2011, and Denver's didn't suddenly jump from bad to one of the best in the league in 2012. For another example, you could check out FOs' passpro O-line ranking for NE in 2007 (4th), 2008 (26th), and 2009 (2nd). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 3 hours ago, childofpudding said: FO's O-line rankings in regards to passpro are questionable. They rely entirely on sacks, which depends on a lot of other factors aside from the OL, such as the quality of the QB, his ability to read the defense pre-snap and adjust passpro, how quickly the QB releases the ball, the type of offense the team runs, etc. If you don't believe me, check out FO's passpro O-line rankings for Indy and Denver with and without Manning. Indy's O-line didn't suddenly go from top 5 to awful in 2011, and Denver's didn't suddenly jump from bad to one of the best in the league in 2012. For another example, you could check out FOs' passpro O-line ranking for NE in 2007 (4th), 2008 (26th), and 2009 (2nd). Correct. Also Brady has better in pocket footwork. Rodgers is a better out of pocket scrambler. Also Brady has a quicker release which also effects the stat. There's a lot that goes into it. Brady had a crap oline most of 2015. It just looked better than it was because of Brady. When he played a secondary like Demver's which forced him to hold the ball a little bit longer, it got exposed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 It depends on what argument you're using it for right? If it's your QB that gets sacked a lot, it's the oline's fault. If it's someone else's QB, then it's their own fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 On 9/18/2017 at 10:49 PM, The Third Rider said: I remember when getting just 1 super bowl was the only validation you needed. Now consistently making the playoffs means your talent is being wasted... This is because of what the Patriots have been doing. The success they have had is ridiculous and unprecedented. I seriously doubt we'll see another run like they have again in our lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 22 hours ago, lancerman said: Correct. Also Brady has better in pocket footwork. Rodgers is a better out of pocket scrambler. Also Brady has a quicker release which also effects the stat. There's a lot that goes into it. Brady had a crap oline most of 2015. It just looked better than it was because of Brady. When he played a secondary like Demver's which forced him to hold the ball a little bit longer, it got exposed I seriously doubt Brady has a faster release than Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pats#1 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Pugger said: I seriously doubt Brady has a faster release than Rodgers. He's talking about from snap to release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 13 minutes ago, Pugger said: I seriously doubt Brady has a faster release than Rodgers. According to Cris Collingsworth, it's the fastest in league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Hunter2_1 said: 16 minutes ago, Pugger said: I seriously doubt Brady has a faster release than Rodgers. According to Cris Collingsworth, it's the fastest in league. According to Collingsworth everyone has an elite release time hahah 21 hours ago, Jlowe22 said: It depends on what argument you're using it for right? If it's your QB that gets sacked a lot, it's the oline's fault. If it's someone else's QB, then it's their own fault. Rodgers is responsible for soooo many of his sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 You can never use sack stats to judge an OL. A sack can be a Von Miller-like undressing of the tackle, bending in to destroy the QB in 2 seconds. But it could also be a QB trips over his feet, and the defender gets his pinky on him. Flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 24 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said: You can never use sack stats to judge an OL. A sack can be a Von Miller-like undressing of the tackle, bending in to destroy the QB in 2 seconds. But it could also be a QB trips over his feet, and the defender gets his pinky on him. Flawed. Or of course, the QB holding the ball way too long and not recognizing a blitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: Or of course, the QB holding the ball way too long and not recognizing a blitz. Yep. Known now as Doing The Kizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 51 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said: According to Cris Collingsworth, it's the fastest in league. No way that's true. Rodgers' release is ridiculous. Brady doesn't he have that quick of a release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Kip Smithers said: No way that's true. Rodgers' release is ridiculous. Brady doesn't he have that quick of a release Snap to release. Rodgers would probably be low on that, given how long he lets it develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 56 minutes ago, JBURGE25 said: According to Collingsworth everyone has an elite release time hahah Well, at least the guys that PFF has highly ranked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevein2012 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 40 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said: Snap to release. Rodgers would probably be low on that, given how long he lets it develop. That's not really what people mean by release tho, it's the time from starting your throwing motion to having the ball out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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