Chali21 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 14 hours ago, Jerry said: I'm not concerned with the drops. The defense was a non factor. DL got shoved into a corner and Abram didn't play disciplined. Arnette was taken advantage of too. Defense needs to play way better than this. One stop on defense on any of those touchdown drives and we would've won. Gave up 5 touchdowns. Ridiculous... They did stop the chiefs a few times of course that was mostly because of the mistakes the chiefs made but they did stop them. They are progressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OG_C2X Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 10 hours ago, Dessie said: 😂 I get that you are embarrassed by how wrong you got Mahomes but throwing insults around to try to prove your manhood is even worse. Come FAFO about my manhood. 👌 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Chali21 said: They did stop the chiefs a few times of course that was mostly because of the mistakes the chiefs made but they did stop them. They are progressing. I agree. Just want our defense to go from giving up roughly 28 points a game to 20-21. It's the next step in our team becoming a real deal playoff contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Hard to judge Arnette imo because I would say more than half the yards he gave up were against Kelce and that is just a bad match up for him. He had an assignment that at this point of his career he had no chance to win. Fact is and its very ironic, but this is a defense that is missing a difference maker on the Dline from being a legit contender. Add a DT or DE that can rush the passer and make plays when needed and this defense is good enough to where you can go far into the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 On 11/23/2020 at 10:00 AM, oakdb36 said: If 1 of our starting safeties can't be asked to play cover 4, he shouldn't be a starter. Abram needs to learn discipline, it's great to be agressive but it's negated if you can't play within a scheme. Your right. I didn't really like Abram being the pick we took in that 1st rd. Raiders fans thirst for fire on defense, blinds them on how bad he is at times. Penalties, injuries to himself and teammates and just bad coverage is not what you draft in 1st rd. A run support safety thats a liability in pass coverage isn't a 1st rd pick in today's league. Now with that said. He definitely can be coached better and used better. Will discipline help with some of his issues. Sure it will. Will experience and better coaching, absolutely. Can he be a starting strong safety in this league. Yup. But he is definitely costing this defense. Their were tds the chargers scored that was on him to. I hope he gets better real soon. But I much rather just keep Abram near line of scrimmage for time being. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: Hard to judge Arnette imo because I would say more than half the yards he gave up were against Kelce and that is just a bad match up for him. He had an assignment that at this point of his career he had no chance to win. Fact is and its very ironic, but this is a defense that is missing a difference maker on the Dline from being a legit contender. Add a DT or DE that can rush the passer and make plays when needed and this defense is good enough to where you can go far into the playoffs. I think Mullens Arnette and Johnson or good enough with decent pass rush and decent safety play behind them. They really haven't had either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Re watching the game. Guenther didn't even try to adjust to be honest. 3 of kc tds came off edge plays on Crosby side. The run to Edwards, the toss play to bell, and the motion td pass to hill. How Guenther didn't see that inside stunting Crosby was not only not generating pass rush but also leaving the edges wide open. Even if Crosby was taking upon himself to do it, how a dline coach or Guenther not adjust him. It literally made no sense that we was still doing this on that final draft to. Hasn't worked all game. Didnt make any sense. We don't got any stars on defense the least they could do is play smart and sound football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 15 hours ago, big_palooka said: I agree. My point was, it's not needed. The offense is scoring points and moving the ball without manufacturing touches for Ruggs. No need to force him touches but agree he can be a difference maker with the ball. Agreed. It’s telling that defenses are willing to give up short stuff with him in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 On 11/23/2020 at 2:49 PM, dante9876 said: To be fair, Guenther shouldn't put him in that deep zone at that point of the game. Play to your players strengths. It's on him to know his responsibility, but Guenther has to go. Abram is a first rounder S, who should be able to play that role well enough. I mean if he would have been in place and would forced a contested catch and Kelce would have win it it is another story and not his fault, but to leave his zone like this is on him. We run that same coverage before in that game and he made the right play and went with the TE, Mahomes had to go elsewhere...he just wanted to be a superhero and made a dumb reckless decision... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 8 hours ago, agarcia34 said: Hard to judge Arnette imo because I would say more than half the yards he gave up were against Kelce and that is just a bad match up for him. He had an assignment that at this point of his career he had no chance to win. Fact is and its very ironic, but this is a defense that is missing a difference maker on the Dline from being a legit contender. Add a DT or DE that can rush the passer and make plays when needed and this defense is good enough to where you can go far into the playoffs. I'm in agreement, the coverage generally I think is pretty good. Mullen, Lawson and Arnette are good cover guys and Joyner is playing better this year. Johnson looks promising too. A genuine pass rush would make a huge difference and double our turnovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 37 minutes ago, Darbsk said: I'm in agreement, the coverage generally I think is pretty good. Mullen, Lawson and Arnette are good cover guys and Joyner is playing better this year. Johnson looks promising too. A genuine pass rush would make a huge difference and double our turnovers. Same here. When there is no blown coverage or bad (mostly too soft) D playcall our DBs seem to be close on them recievers. We have speed and it seems to me that we have some swagg back there, which is good. If the pass rush were alive and our DBs wouldn't need to cover forever, we could have a really solid, young secondary IMO. Kwia really looks like a good MLB and while our OLB play is below average, overall the LB play seems to be servicable and would be servicable for sure with better DL play. DL continues to be a mess and this Chiefs game showed IMO, that Ferrell is one of the most important piece we have. He is a force against the run and the most constant guy from the outside when it comes to pressure too. Yes Crosby has the sacks and the occasional big play, but Cle is the constant guy. It is sad how big a hole we have at 3T DT and it is a huge question what happened to Collins and also where is Hurst? Hankins is a really good NT, but we need interior pass rush so so much. Irving maybe will help down the road and hopefully Hurst can finally come back, but we can say that we desperately need a force in the middle and Grudock missed on Collins big time, which could cost us a year basically, cause this O seems to be able to make some noise in the PO (if we get there), but with a D like this we have little chance there... A star DE would obviously help, but I feel like DT is our biggest need right now. Leonard Williams might be a solution, but it is doubtfull he makes to the open market after the NYG tagged him following a weaker 2019 season. Most probably he gets a big deal there and we will have to draft our DT. Which sucks because DT is not a position where you get great results from rookies tipically...the good news is that I think we will have a chance to get a rellay good kid in the mid-late 1st for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, Rolni said: Same here. When there is no blown coverage or bad (mostly too soft) D playcall our DBs seem to be close on them recievers. We have speed and it seems to me that we have some swagg back there, which is good. If the pass rush were alive and our DBs wouldn't need to cover forever, we could have a really solid, young secondary IMO. This is a really good point, even though we have selected and brought in guys who really specialise in press and physical man coverage we do seem to play soft zone an awful lot. Now, this could be because our pass rush is really ineffective and we're trying to buy time but it obviously means we are not playing to our DBs strengths. Its unfortunate, but we can write Collins off I think so whether its draft or trade we need a starting UT to go with Hankins. Hurst, Vickers and Irving are decent rotation guys but as you say, we need a good not average starter in there. Leonard Williams, JJ Watt, Lawrence Guy, Sheldon Rankins are guys I might look at and/or a high draft pick. We simply must solve this pass rush if we want to be more than fringe pretenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chali21 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 15 hours ago, Jerry said: I agree. Just want our defense to go from giving up roughly 28 points a game to 20-21. It's the next step in our team becoming a real deal playoff contender. For sure but I will say that Kwitt’s addition has made the defense better. Now if only Mayock can hit on other free agents... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Chali21 said: For sure but I will say that Kwitt’s addition has made the defense better. Now if only Mayock can hit on other free agents... Mike Mayock has hit on FAs in 2019 and 2020. Agholor, Kwit, Booker, D. Good, E. Harris (backup), J. Hankins (run support), Trent Brown (if he plays lights out the last quarter of the season and playoffs he'll be worth it), and Jeff Heath. C. Littleton and C. Nassib need time to develop and will most likely play better next season. The players that aren't panning out can just be cut. We keep those that produce and cut the fat, slowly transitioning into a playoff contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 22 hours ago, OG_C2X said: Come FAFO about my manhood. 👌 Child please 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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