MrOaktown_56 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, NCOUGHMAN said: Was just about to post I hope carr watching arod getting sacked rn but holding on to the ball On some of his fumbles, he doesn't secure the ball well. He's gotta get two hands on it like Rodgers does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 56 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Those are goat #’s bruh stop hating This is a Carr and Gruden issue. However, the Staff has to think that a different QB could give them a better chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 5:50 AM, big_palooka said: You're asking the wrong crowd. It's hilarious how Carr fans give him major passes for his injuries. However, they pay no respect to Mariota who also had a standout season in 2016 and dealt with injuries for the last few seasons. I think they win 8-9 games with a healthy Mariota because that is what this teams talent level is. His ability to run RPO with Jacobs adds an element to the run game. I think he scores more in the red zone. And any INTs he throws would compare to the 8 loss fumbles Carr had when touched in the pocket. I personally think Mariota would run Grudens offense well. He'd miss some passes Carr might make, but that is offset with his ability to play off schedule which Carr doesn't excel. I think Mariota is a great reclamation project because of the similarities in dysfunctional situation. I advocated for putting him in packages, but you know Gruden wouldn't do it. Having someone who can come in with true running potential would be huge for the offense. Edit: I only think there are a few qb's who can really use their legs as a weapon. Mariota is somewhere in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, oakdb36 said: 29th of 25? 35. It was a typo. out of 35 eligible QBs Edited January 24, 2021 by big_palooka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 44 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: That means he 29th ranked QBs out of 25th qualified candidates. There were backups QBs who played enough snaps to qualify in this category That makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, oakdb36 said: That makes no sense. 16 minutes ago, big_palooka said: 35. It was a typo. out of 35 eligible QBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Thx. His explanation still made no sense. Unsurprisingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, oakdb36 said: Thx. His explanation still made no sense. Unsurprisingly. I haven't seen one of your takes make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, bucksavage1 said: I haven't seen one of your takes make any sense. You'd have to be able to understand what you read. You just proved that's not your thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, oakdb36 said: You'd have to be able to understand what you read. You just proved that's not your thing. LOL sure buddy. Stop trying to deflect what the numbers show. Carr's at the bottom of the league in redzone performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, bucksavage1 said: LOL sure buddy. Stop trying to deflect what the numbers show. Carr's at the bottom of the league in redzone performance He is at the bottom of the league in RZ performance in terms of passing touchdowns. Can we look at some other numbers, or do they not matter? Fumbles: worst PFF Passing grade (this one I really don't care for to be fair): 8th DYAR: 7th Passing Yards: 11th YPA among starters: 8th Passing TD's: 11th Interceptions: T-9th lowest Passer rating: 10th Completions over 20 yards: 10th Completions over 40 yards: 4th These aren't cherry picked. I pulled the majority off the NFL website. Is this blind homerism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: He is at the bottom of the league in RZ performance in terms of passing touchdowns. Can we look at some other numbers, or do they not matter? Fumbles: worst PFF Passing grade (this one I really don't care for to be fair): 8th DYAR: 7th Passing Yards: 11th YPA among starters: 8th Passing TD's: 11th Interceptions: T-9th lowest Passer rating: 10th Completions over 20 yards: 10th Completions over 40 yards: 4th These aren't cherry picked. I pulled the majority off the NFL website. Is this blind homerism? Those stats show you Carr is a good player but he isn't good enough and we can get better at the QB position. Why not? Do you want the Raiders to win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 @MrOaktown_56 Week 11-17 he only had a passer rating over 100 once (Miami) and turned the ball over 9 times on 8 TDs. The first 10 weeks, he was playing on fire. The final 7 weeks when it mattered, he was average on his best day. You can post stats all you want, but there is no argument for his play backsliding in December again as has been consistent with his career now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Those stats show you Carr is a good player but he isn't good enough and we can get better at the QB position. Why not? Do you want the Raiders to win? So now he's a good player. What is good enough? Elite? I do want the Raiders to win. What kind of weird deflection is that? 4 minutes ago, big_palooka said: @MrOaktown_56 Week 11-17 he only had a passer rating over 100 once (Miami) and turned the ball over 9 times on 8 TDs. The first 10 weeks, he was playing on fire. The final 7 weeks when it mattered, he was average on his best day. You can post stats all you want, but there is no argument for his play backsliding in December again as has been consistent with his career now. This is a team game. I'm not even a stats guy. He can't carry Gruden's ineptitude in December. If you want to argue that Gruden will never improve so we need an elite QB to shore up his inadequacies, I can understand that argument. But at that point, you're dooming us to perpetual mediocrity, even with Watson and whatever ungodly trade capital we give up to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, big_palooka said: @MrOaktown_56 Week 11-17 he only had a passer rating over 100 once (Miami) and turned the ball over 9 times on 8 TDs. The first 10 weeks, he was playing on fire. The final 7 weeks when it mattered, he was average on his best day. You can post stats all you want, but there is no argument for his play backsliding in December again as has been consistent with his career now. Carr might be the best statistically but worst situationally qb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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