Packer Prospect Interest Thread

[incognito_man]

28 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

Sage Rosenfels on Twitter: "There are maybe a couple thousand people in the world who know how to watch college or NFL “film” and know what they are looking at. Watching TV versions does nothing. Most people don’t have a clue about defenses, protections or coverages. Stop with the “I watched his film”." / Twitter

I agree with your premise above, but my argument was because I thought you were concurring with this bolded statement by Rosenfels which I think is a load of crap personally.

If you're talking about wholely evaluating a specific draft class, you need to be in the NFL. We can see what the docs said, what their coaches said without them in the room, hell you can't even get ahold of college all 22 unless you know someone. Not sure why the NCAA is not picking up on that possible revenue stream.

I agree somewhat. But still disagree that even a majority of college (or NFL) players could successfully do that job. In order to be good at it, one needs a broad and deep understanding of scheme and technique across multiple positions. Most players are specialists and have probably (especially in college) only been exposed to a single position and scheme at a deep, competitive level.

[craig]

2 hours ago, incognito_man said:

.. one needs a broad and deep understanding of scheme and technique across multiple positions. Most players are specialists and have probably (especially in college) only been exposed to a single position and scheme at a deep, competitive level.

This is a dumb tangent extreme.  But I think there is something of this with defensive coordinators, too?  Some get trained in a system, get hired to other jobs because of their expertise in that system, and then modify that system.  I've got a hope that Barry is going to be a little different.  He's coached under a wide variety of schemes.  I'd love to hope that he can pull some of the best from them, and use what fits the Packers personnel.  

[ThatJerkDave]

21 hours ago, incognito_man said:

I'm an actual rocket scientist engineer, and I bet there are scouts smarter than some of my colleagues lol

Off topic, but is there a group of "smart" people that are dumber than engineers? College Professors do not count.

[Mazrimiv]

23 hours ago, Norm said:

Maybe this is my fault but "there may be a couple thousand people who know how to watch tape" makes it sound like capable, not a couple thousand out there doing it that know what they're doing. If it's the latter then I think he's on point. I bet that's what he meant though. I guess first read he was acting like only 2k people could at all which seemed insane to me. I'm sure he's smarter than that

I read it as at him thinking this moment in time, there are maybe a couple thousand people who have the requisite training/experience to be considered competent at breaking down film.

I think maybe what his comment is missing is whether he is talking about a general ability to look at all-22 and understand what is happening, or the ability to look at specific players and positions and understand the technical aspects of how well each player is doing their job.  I am probably ok at the former, but not the latter.

Edited April 17, 2021 by Mazrimiv

[incognito_man]

4 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said:

Off topic, but is there a group of "smart" people that are dumber than engineers? College Professors do not count.

Definitely depends on the engineering specialty ha. My specialty I've found has significantly more socially functional engineers than others

[Mazrimiv]

As for actual Packers prospect interest, is CB Farley completely off of GB's board or do they select him in RD1 if he's there?

Edited April 17, 2021 by Mazrimiv

[AlexGreen#20]

5 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said:

Off topic, but is there a group of "smart" people that are dumber than engineers? College Professors do not count.

Literally every other group of smart people?

[VonKarman]

7 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said:

Off topic, but is there a group of "smart" people that are dumber than engineers? College Professors do not count.

Engineers are not the dumbest, but they tend to think much higher of themselves than other groups. And yes, this comes from an assistant professor who teaches calculus and algebra to future engineers.

[ThatJerkDave]

1 hour ago, VonKarman said:

Engineers are not the dumbest, but they tend to think much higher of themselves than other groups. And yes, this comes from an assistant professor who teaches calculus and algebra to future engineers.

What I mean is that when I have a problem at work, the engineers seem to have the most ridiculously complicated, do more work, solution to every problem.  Vs a simple, straight forward easy solution.  

 

Also, the jab at professors was obviously not toward science and mathematics professors, but to the general populous as a whole.  I am not impressed by most English PhDs or the multitude of "___ Studies" doctorates in the least.

[Scoremore]

3 hours ago, Mazrimiv said:

As for actual Packers prospect interest, is CB Farley completely off of GB's board or do they select him in RD1 if he's there?

God I hope he's off their board.  Pundits still have him going in the 1st.  2 back surgeries.  If you have had one you know the deal.  The kid will be battling this injury the rest of his life.  These pundits are seriously underestimating the long term impact of this injury.  It's not one that you ever fully recover from.  Wouldn't touch him until the 4th round.  He'll probably end up going high just hope it's not the Packers.  Talk about a medical red flag this is about the worst one you could have.

[VonKarman]

16 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said:

What I mean is that when I have a problem at work, the engineers seem to have the most ridiculously complicated, do more work, solution to every problem.  Vs a simple, straight forward easy solution.  

 

Also, the jab at professors was obviously not toward science and mathematics professors, but to the general populous as a whole.  I am not impressed by most English PhDs or the multitude of "___ Studies" doctorates in the least.

O believe me I completely understand what you mean, I have to work with them every day. 😁

[craig]

4 hours ago, Mazrimiv said:

As for actual Packers prospect interest, is CB Farley completely off of GB's board or do they select him in RD1 if he's there?

What are your thoughts, Maz?  Would you?  

[Mazrimiv]

5 minutes ago, craig said:

What are your thoughts, Maz?  Would you?  

I feel like there is no way GB would do it, but if they did I would be happy enough.  I'd be under the assumption the the GB medical staff feels good about his injury history, and felt like it was a risk worth taking.  I can live with that.  

Edited April 17, 2021 by Mazrimiv

[Joe]

5 hours ago, Mazrimiv said:

As for actual Packers prospect interest, is CB Farley completely off of GB's board or do they select him in RD1 if he's there?

I hope he's not in their top-100 TBH. On the other hand, if he's there in the 4th or 5th and we haven't given up those picks I'd be happy to take a chance on him provided we have selected another CB first.

[R T]

This isn't a shot at anyone, but I'll never understand why fans think they need to make a decision on if the Packers should or shouldn't draft someone. Fans convince themselves in the pre draft process who would be good picks and bad picks off little to no information and than are upset with the Packers if they draft a player they concluded not worthy. Maybe a better idea would be to try and understand why the team drafted someone and except the fact that they probably know better. Like with Farley's medicals. Maybe. Just a thought.