Jeremy408 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: I thought Kwit and Morrow played pretty well. Kwit was good on the bears before he came here. Morrow is good but are we going to really compare that to Telvin Smith Bobby Wagner and KJ wright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Surprise how? If he makes 1 play it's more than he made in the entirety of last season. Littleton is another Raider fan hopeful. Team is loaded with those. Guys who are "going to surprise a lot of people". Well I hope they all surprise the crap out of us and we win the Lombardi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 2 hours ago, BayRaider said: JOK would be a fine pick and not a reach, that is something I think the fanbase can agree on. I also think the fanbase can agree that Parsons and Surtain would make our D better over JOK. I won’t include Farley because the fanbase is split on him over medicals and did not include Moehrig because the fanbase is also split on him. Although personally, speaking strictly defensive players, I’d take Parsons, Farley, Surtain, Paye, and Oweh over JOK. But I’d also be perfectly fine with JOK as well, he’s a fine pick. Nope, sorry, don’t agree! I think JOK is exactly what this sorry defense needs. Speed, dynamism, coverage ability, he can hit and create turnovers. I feel just as okay about our CBS as I do about our LBs. There is possibilities there in Littleton as with Arnette as with Morrow as with Mullen. Nothing to prevent you taking what you see as a difference maker. I see JOK as equally ‘difference making’ as Surtain and Parsons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, reddevil said: Nope, sorry, don’t agree! I think JOK is exactly what this sorry defense needs. Speed, dynamism, coverage ability, he can hit and create turnovers. I feel just as okay about our CBS as I do about our LBs. There is possibilities there in Littleton as with Arnette as with Morrow as with Mullen. Nothing to prevent you taking what you see as a difference maker. I see JOK as equally ‘difference making’ as Surtain and Parsons. Can definitely respect your opinion, we’ll see what happens draft day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, BayRaider said: Can definitely respect your opinion, we’ll see what happens draft day! Oh I think we all know what will happen on draft day. Alex Leatherwood come on down!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 minute ago, reddevil said: Oh I think we all know what will happen on draft day. Alex Leatherwood come on down!!! That'd be worse than the Arnette and Ferrell reach, combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, reddevil said: Oh I think we all know what will happen on draft day. Alex Leatherwood come on down!!! If Mayock and Gruden make a normal, reasonable move, I'll be happy. I fear for the worst when I think about what will probably happen. Some third round player at 17. I literally had a nightmare we did that the other night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 -- bolded I'd move up for, but probably requires teams overreacting to the year off, or having a weird order of Horn/Surtain/Farley -- Trevor Lawrence Justin FieldsPenei Sewell Jamarr Chase Zach Wilson Devonta Smith Kyle Pitts Jalen Waddle Christian DarrisawPatrick Surtain Micah Parsons Trey Lance Micah Parsons Rashawn Slater -- I'd like to trade down at this point, but I'm fine at 17 -- Caleb Farley Kwity Paye Christian Barmore Tevin Jenkins Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Samuel Cosmi Alijah Vera-Tucker Jaycee Horn -- Round 2 -- Jaelen Phillips Trevon Moehrig Jackson Carmen Tyson Campbell Elijah Molden Rondale Moore Zaven Collins Mac Jones Alim McNeill Creed Humphrey Wyatt Davis Nick Bolton Jabril Cox Jamin Davis -- Round 3 -- Javonte Williams Jamar Johnson Carlos Basham Alex Leatherwood Landon Dickerson Eric Stokes Kendrick Green Stone Forsythe Amon-Ra St. Brown Davis Mills -- Round 4, but I'm comfortable with these guys in the 3rd too // excited in the 4th -- Jevon Holland Richie Grant Levi Onwuzurike Daviyon Nixon Marvin Wilson Pete Werner Jaylen Mayfield Baron Browning -- Round 5 and later -- Hamsah Nasirildeen Shaka Toney Jay Tufele Paulson Adebo Robert Rochell James Hudson Nico Collins Spencer Brown Jamie Newman Patrick Jones II Tylan Wallace Dante Smith Cam McGrone Caden Sterns Jaylon Moore Richard LeCounte Jaylen Twyman Dayo Odeyingbo Trey Hill Israel Mukuamu Anthony Schwartz Kylin Hill Paris Ford Jonathan Adams Jr. Quinton Bohanna Alaric Jackson Robert Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 11 hours ago, Bitty 2.0 said: I don't agree with you at all, I think you're putting terrible DT play on him. He was never clean other teams were pushing the DT in his face. valid point, but what is his ceiling? Nick is going be 28, you think he is going to become an all pro in his late 20s? JOK is 21 and has all pro potential, which I'm confident he is going reach. why not have 3-4 good LBS, I'm not running Nick off the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 2 hours ago, reddevil said: Nope, sorry, don’t agree! I think JOK is exactly what this sorry defense needs. Speed, dynamism, coverage ability, he can hit and create turnovers. I feel just as okay about our CBS as I do about our LBs. There is possibilities there in Littleton as with Arnette as with Morrow as with Mullen. Nothing to prevent you taking what you see as a difference maker. I see JOK as equally ‘difference making’ as Surtain and Parsons. guy plays like a defender should, look at his film against bama. he could easily be a cornerstone for the franchise, we need someone out there flying around making plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Humble_Beast said: valid point, but what is his ceiling? Nick is going be 28, you think he is going to become an all pro in his late 20s? JOK is 21 and has all pro potential, which I'm confident he is going reach. why not have 3-4 good LBS, I'm not running Nick off the team I just don't think the value is there. If this was a normal year and we had a bunch of games to watch there probably will be better LBs out there. That's what scares me about this draft. There's gonna be people that haven't played in a year that are gonna be all pro in 3 years . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said: I just don't think the value is there. If this was a normal year and we had a bunch of games to watch there probably will be better LBs out there. That's what scares me about this draft. There's gonna be people that haven't played in a year that are gonna be all pro in 3 years . hope we nail those 3rd-5th round picks. I hope for Parsons, Farley, or Surtain but I'll be happy with JOK. he wasn't just good last year, he has two years of being a stud Edited April 22, 2021 by Humble_Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: hope we nail those 3rd-5th round picks. I hope for Parsons, Farley, or Surtain but I'll be happy with JOK. he wasn't just good last year, he has two years of being a stud I'm sorry but 215 is a SS not a LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said: I'm sorry but 215 is a SS not a LB. tell that to Fred Warner/Daruis Leonard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: tell that to Fred Warner/Daruis Leonard I don't understand, We're both taller and bigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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