WizeGuy Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: Is that through the CDC website or are you referencing another set of data? I just googled it. Looks like they reference the NY times. Edited April 22, 2021 by WizeGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Is herd immunity still possible, or do we need to change our strategy?https://news.yahoo.com/elusive-herd-immunity-likely-wont-100209265.html Quote But even as more than half of adult Americans have received at least one dose of vaccine and many others are protected by recent infections, health experts are moving away from the idea of reaching some magic number. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease doctor, doesn't want to talk about herd immunity anymore. “Rather than concentrating on an elusive number, let's get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we possibly can,” he said at a White House briefing last week, a sentiment he's since repeated. What Fauci doesn't explicitly state, but others do, is that with about a quarter of Americans saying they might not want to be immunized, herd immunity is simply not an attainable goal. Quote After initially aiming for the kind of protection provided by the measles vaccine, officials are now focused on containment similar to the flu: acknowledging there will be regular outbreaks but hoping to limit them as much as possible. Americans can go through their entire lives without worrying about getting the measles because of a long-lasting effective vaccine given to more than 90% of children. Although small pockets of infection occur when vaccination rates drop, even people who can't get the vaccine or are immunocompromised remain mostly protected. With COVID-19, where vaccines are effective but won't last a lifetime, vaccine hesitancy makes that kind of widespread protection unlikely, experts say. That means people who can't get vaccinated or whose immune systems are dampened by medication or disease will remain vulnerable. There will probably always be enough unvaccinated people to allow COVID-19 to spread once it arrives in a community. And even people who are vaccinated won't be 100% protected in the face of such a contagious illness. But the more people who get their shots, the better. “We need to pivot the conversation away from thinking of herd immunity as a target we get to or we don’t,” said Lauren Ancel Meyers, a professor of statistical and data science and director of the COVID-19 Modeling Consortium at the University of Texas at Austin. “It’s simple – the more immunity, the better off we’ll all be.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Xenos said: What Fauci doesn't explicitly state, but others do, is that with about a quarter of Americans saying they might not want to be immunized, herd immunity is simply not an attainable goal. *Me deciding not to go on a rant about being held hostage by 25+% of the population* 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Herd Immunity was always an unknown with COVID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: Herd Immunity was always an unknown with COVID. Feel free to correct me but I was under the assumption that with the amount of infections we have in this country, we would get a pseudo herd immunity through the vaccine and the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Xenos said: Feel free to correct me but I was under the assumption that with the amount of infections we have in this country, we would get a pseudo herd immunity through the vaccine and the virus. Pretty sure immunity through contraction and surviving has not been adequately quantified to make a determination on how it effects herd immunity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 20 hours ago, Xenos said: I love this survey. Though this recent article seemed to throw a damper on it somewhat. Hopefully we can find new ways to inform and turn hesitancy to a yes. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/04/21/states-covid-vaccine-problem-483872 Visual: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 48 minutes ago, TVScout said: Visual: At least it’s only an 11% decrease. Let’s see what happens when the J&J gets unpaused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, MWil23 said: *Me deciding not to go on a rant about being held hostage by 25+% of the population* Well you might not be held hostage since it seems that they’re moving away from that herd immunity strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizeGuy Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, TVScout said: Visual: I'm not surprised to see the rate decrease a bit now that those who were in the highest demand of the vaccines are now (mostly) vaccinated. We're now getting to the group who is more likely to drag their feet than actively searching for appts. Our approach needs to alter. We need to make vaccines easily accessible and give younger people incentives to get vaccinated. I think most young people aren't afraid of the vaccine, but they're also not afraid of COVID, so we need to give this group a bit of a nudge to get plucked. And, tbh, we'll be fine if the ship stays steady even if it slows a bit. Fingers crossed we can convince those who aren't in a high risk category to get vaccinated! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, WizeGuy said: I'm not surprised to see the rate decrease a bit now that those who were in the highest demand of the vaccines are now (mostly) vaccinated. We're now getting to the group who is more likely to drag their feet than actively searching for appts. Our approach needs to alter. We need to make vaccines easily accessible and give younger people incentives to get vaccinated. I think most young people aren't afraid of the vaccine, but they're also not afraid of COVID, so we need to give this group a bit of a nudge to get plucked. And, tbh, we'll be fine if the ship stays steady even if it slows a bit. Fingers crossed we can convince those who aren't in a high risk category to get vaccinated! I think the vaccine requirements from colleges will help in this area. Though from my understanding, the EUA status of the vaccine currently leaves it in murky grey legal area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 One Covid vaccine cuts infection rate in all age groups. Quote The chances of becoming infected by Covid fell sharply after a first dose of either the AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccines, a UK study has found. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56844220 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, TVScout said: One Covid vaccine cuts infection rate in all age groups. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56844220 yooooooo where my Pfizer bros at? @Malfatron @ramssuperbowl99 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza23 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Follow up: Got my second dose of Pfizer on Wednesday. Pretty much the same symptoms as the first. Had a sore arm, general fatigue but far less dehydrated. I guess the Walgreen version of pedialyte worked wonders. 🙂 Super easy to go through. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza23 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Deadpulse said: yooooooo where my Pfizer bros at? @Malfatron @ramssuperbowl99 I’m feeling pretty invincible. Gonna go out and do something really stupid!!🥳 Edited April 23, 2021 by Bonanza23 For those that take things without a sense of humor, I’m completely joking 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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