The good, the bad, the we suck again vs. WFT edition

[RaiderX]

Carr misfiring on so many passes this game. Had Edwards on the 2  point conversion and had Jones in the endzone. Jones should have caught the deep shot, but they should have never been in this position against a bottom tier defense (again).

[NCOUGHMAN]

1 hour ago, BobbyPhil1781 said:

Doesn't change the fact that what I said is the truth. You can deflect all you want but fact is, the last time your boy was a starter on a team, their offense was trash, literally worst in the league, until he was benched. At that time, they became one of the best. 

If mm was so bad what are you afraid of? 

Meanwhile in the present carr is trash right now and it’s costing us games again 

[BigD1123]

3 hours ago, ronjon1990 said:

Playcalling sucks. WRs suck. Rbs suck. O-line sucks. Execution on plays suck. Everything about the offense sucks. There's nothing good to say about it

Makes no sense. If you say WRs suck...Everything about the offense sucks. There is no room for individuals. And what reason could there possibly be? All I did was point out that all WRs did not suck. Therefore everything about the offense does not suck. But I get it your hurting over the loss we all are. And we all blow things out of proportion.  I just have a issue when people are lumped together for any reason. And that goes double when a person is doing exceptionally well only to be lumped in with those who are not.

[big_palooka]

10 hours ago, Jeremy408 said:

Yup earlier in the season I caught that against the Bears. Some thing I'm sure Mark Davis didn't think about is that if they don't win games quick Vegas is a popular destination for any fan anywhere to go to. 

Davis has successfully built a tourist trap. The Vegas Raiders are nearly completely stripped of Raider traditions and lore. They are now a Vegas attraction for opposing fans, right there with Penn & Teller or seeing Celine Deion at the MGM. 

[oakdb36]

The only thing left is it's still owned by the Davis family. Not for much longer though.

[big_palooka]

8 hours ago, ronjon1990 said:

Good:

Carlson and Cole are legitimate weapons as a kicker and punter. 

Bad:

.......

Ugly:

Everything else. 

Playcalling sucks. WRs suck. Rbs suck. O-line sucks. Execution on plays suck. Everything about the offense sucks. There's nothing good to say about it.

The defense sucks. It doesn't matter whether they give up 10 or 30, the end result is always the same: we need 1 stop and they can't do it. 12 games in and we're still leaving RBs open with 15 yards around them. We make dumb penalties. We play Charmin Ultra coverage and routinely give up 3rd downs. This is why Gus can't keep a job. Even the commentary team called out how Atlanta and Dallas abandoned that scheme and how Gus refuses to make adjustments. 

We have a beautiful stadium but no fans. Not anything like we did in Oakland. O.co sucked, but at least it was home. We've joined Blue Man Group and Simon & Garfunkel as Las Vegas "attractions" and it shows. And guess what? The "no state income tax" hasn't been all that attractive either. Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, Seattle, Houston, Dallas, and Tennessee can say the same thing and FA hasn't historically been team making for them outside of Tampa just assembling every asset under the sun. And a rocket scientist could have pointed out that nobody really gives a **** about that. You're not attracting the best of a bunch of millionaires with "no state income tax" when you have a loser of a franchise. I hope Mark is happy, because this move did nothing for us but make the Raiders the NFL equivalent of a theme park for vacationers. We don't have a home field advantage, and frankly, we SUCK in Las Vegas. As the city is apt to do, it seems like it literally sucks is dry and we just can't wait to get out elsewhere. The house wins, for sure, but the team doesn't. 

Being a Raiders fan is utterly exhausting. For all of us, it was a source of pride. And there's plenty of camps that agree or disagree about this or that, but I think we can all agree that this "team" is more of a shell brand than a team anymore. There's no passion. There's no soul to it. We're the NFL equivalent of the XFL's Team 9. There's no quick fix via a single player, and nothing about Mark Davis' unfortunate tubby Mason Verger looking *** gives any reason to believe we'll make the correct move and can the farce of a GM we have and bring in what's needed to actually build a winning team. He's too stupid to do anything remotely intelligent, and unlike Al, has no real passion for the game beyond it's profits allowing him to get away with his 97 Caravan and atrocious haircut and still manage to (assumedly) get laid. 

Ugly is the Raiders in a nutshell at this point. 

Did Dallas abandon this scheme with Dan Quinn as DC? I thought he ran the same scheme from his Seattle roots.

Well said on the rest. I posted the same thing about being a Vegas attraction before reading this. The team is 5-10 playing Vegas. I've not been to a game, but the whole experience feels plastic (like Vegas). Maybe it's The Wynn club in the end zone.

Either way, this is not the Raiders I grew up with. This Gucci version has stripped away the rouge persona this franchise was steep in. They have moved so far away from the vision of the great Al Davis. The outsiders, the misfits, the grit of Oakland is gone. They've become a glitzy corporate franchise where everyone is included. Bring Grandma to watch her favorite team in a state of the art stadium. Sammy Hagar is singing at half time folks! 

[big_palooka]

8 hours ago, Rich7sena said:

I feel like I watched a completely different game than people with these takes.

My impression was that Carr played well today. The issue was the Raiders didn't make those tough plays or big get calls today. I'm think of the two Moreau tough drops, the Edwards overturned touhh drop, the Zay Jones one hander in the endzone, and the deep shot. Otherwise Carr had a pretty great game. He navigated the pocket well, bought time, ran, attacked vertical. Honestly, there was very little more he could have done in this game. He was only sacked twice today despite rough interior protection.

He didn't "attack vertical" until he had to. He missed open WR all game. He checked into a swing pass on 3rd and 6. He missed on a TD pass in the corner. Through the game tying 2 pt conversion out of the back of the end zone. Did nothing on 3rd down or the red zone overall. 

The only TD drive was aided by a PI call that put the ball at the 1. Jacobs caught 9 balls for hardly in yardage playing check down all game. 

Bisaccia commented in his presser that "they missed a lot of throws today". Signaling the same frustration we all have. 

[Bitty 2.0]

18 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

He didn't "attack vertical" until he had to. He missed open WR all game. He checked into a swing pass on 3rd and 6. He missed on a TD pass in the corner. Through the game tying 2 pt conversion out of the back of the end zone. Did nothing on 3rd down or the red zone overall. 

The only TD drive was aided by a PI call that put the ball at the 1. Jacobs caught 9 balls for hardly in yardage playing check down all game. 

Bisaccia commented in his presser that "they missed a lot of throws today". Signaling the same frustration we all have. 

The referees were giving this game to WFT. 

Littleton is a straight liability against the run. He doesn't meet the ball carrier he waits for the ball carry to come to him. The Raiders should move him to SS and Abram to LB.

[BobbyPhil1781]

8 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

If mm was so bad what are you afraid of? 

Meanwhile in the present carr is trash right now and it’s costing us games again 

Not afraid of Mariota one but. I want the best guy for the job out there and I'm certain Carr is a better QB. 

Mariota wouldn't have survived behind that line, no matter how much you want to deny it. His noodle arm and inaccuracies cost the Titans many games and well but you're still sitting here clamoring for him so it doesn't seem that's really too important for you. I'm guessing you just like him bc he runs around. 

[dante9876]

25 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said:

The referees were giving this game to WFT. 

Littleton is a straight liability against the run. He doesn't meet the ball carrier he waits for the ball carry to come to him. The Raiders should move him to SS and Abram to LB.

I said this during the game about Littleton. It'd so ugly watching him wait for the runner get to him. 

[NCOUGHMAN]

53 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said:

Not afraid of Mariota one but. I want the best guy for the job out there and I'm certain Carr is a better QB. 

Mariota wouldn't have survived behind that line, no matter how much you want to deny it. His noodle arm and inaccuracies cost the Titans many games and well but you're still sitting here clamoring for him so it doesn't seem that's really too important for you. I'm guessing you just like him bc he runs around. 

Again you’re still stuck in 2016 wake me up when you time travel to the present. Until then good day sir.

[BobbyPhil1781]

12 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Again you’re still stuck in 2016 wake me up when you time travel to the present. Until then good day sir.

......... WTF? Yeah, the present is he's not good enough to beat out our QB, that you say is so terrible, for the starting ******* job lol. That doesnt help your case either but you think we should start people based on what month it is so I'm not sure you'll grasp this. Not like his noodle arm got any better over the last 5 years lol

Edited December 6, 2021 by BobbyPhil1781

[NCOUGHMAN]

7 hours ago, BigD1123 said:

Makes no sense. If you say WRs suck...Everything about the offense sucks. There is no room for individuals. And what reason could there possibly be? All I did was point out that all WRs did not suck. Therefore everything about the offense does not suck. But I get it your hurting over the loss we all are. And we all blow things out of proportion.  I just have a issue when people are lumped together for any reason. And that goes double when a person is doing exceptionally well only to be lumped in with those who are not.

Ya boy dabo was at the game chilling with mark. People saying dabo is up next for us

[ronjon1990]

7 hours ago, BigD1123 said:

Makes no sense. If you say WRs suck...Everything about the offense sucks. There is no room for individuals. And what reason could there possibly be? All I did was point out that all WRs did not suck. Therefore everything about the offense does not suck. But I get it your hurting over the loss we all are. And we all blow things out of proportion.  I just have a issue when people are lumped together for any reason. And that goes double when a person is doing exceptionally well only to be lumped in with those who are not.

1 or 2 non turds on an offense of 11 does not keep an offense as a whole from being garbage schematically. Having 1 good WR among a group of practice squadders does not make the WR corps not suck. 

It's not rocket science. No need to be pedantic. 

[NCOUGHMAN]

14 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said:

......... WTF? Yeah, the present is he's not good enough to beat out our QB, that you say is so terrible, for the starting ******* job lol. That doesnt help your case either but you think we should start people based on what month it is so I'm not sure you'll grasp this. Not like his noodle arm got any better over the last 5 years lol

Oh now you mad running out of vocabulary. The present carr has less tds than heinieke and heini hasn’t even started every game. Carr has 17 td in 13 games. That’s embarrassing to me but ok to you. Again while you enjoy the past ragging on mm totally ignoring carrs failures. mm is our last qb to score a td this season. Tds matter but “I’m not sure you’ll grasp this”.